First Amendment Be Damned: North Carolina Legislators Pushing For State Religion

[BNWriter]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/03/17584491-first-amendment-doesnt-apply-here-nc-lawmakers-push-bill-for-state-religion?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=6

Saw this and thought, "Sure....We should have seen this coming in the wake of secessionists and Second Amendment nashing of teeth, etc."

This will not end well, as we say around here at SportsJournalists.com. OK....Have At.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

I so look forward to seeing the teeth-gnashing when the proposal comes up that make Islam or Judiasm the state religionof North Carolina.

And why am I not shocked that Republicans are sponsoring this?

 

[champ_kind]

the legal criticism in the article is interesting considering i'd wager the sponsors of the bill consider themselves more american than most

 

[Mark2010]

If NC actually does this, you can bet other states will follow. Utah has pretty much a de facto state religion now.

Hello, Confederate States of America.

 

[Dick Whitman]

The First Amendment's Establishment Clause was written, actually, to allow states to establish state religions and keep the federal government from usurping that right. True fact.

 

[BNWriter]

If NC actually does this, you can bet other states will follow. Utah has pretty much a de facto state religion now.

Hello, Confederate States of America.

Mark2010, your point is well taken. I am sure Utah's Mormons were salavating when they saw this. I personally think this is a terrible idea (Founding Fathers logic be damned, I guess, as far as NC legislators are concerned).

 

[dog eat dog world]

I so look forward to seeing the teeth-gnashing when the proposal comes up that make Islam or Judiasm the state religionof North Carolina.

And why am I not shocked that Republicans are sponsoring this?

Liberalism is the state "religion" of New York, California, and Illinois, to name a few.
Shouldn't this be locked and tossed into the POLITICS thread, or is it just open because it's a left-wing shot at religion in general?

 

[dog eat dog world]

The amendment prevented the nation from establishing a religion.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

I so look forward to seeing the teeth-gnashing when the proposal comes up that make Islam or Judiasm the state religionof North Carolina.

And why am I not shocked that Republicans are sponsoring this?

Liberalism is the state "religion" of New York, California, and Illinois, to name a few.
Shouldn't this be locked and tossed into the POLITICS thread, or is it just open because it's a left-wing shot at religion in general?

It is? Then why is my religion not tax-exempt?

 

[Bob Cook]

I so look forward to seeing the teeth-gnashing when the proposal comes up that make Islam or Judiasm the state religionof North Carolina.

And why am I not shocked that Republicans are sponsoring this?

Liberalism is the state "religion" of New York, California, and Illinois, to name a few.
Shouldn't this be locked and tossed into the POLITICS thread, or is it just open because it's a left-wing shot at religion in general?

It's in the politics thread, too.

 

[Dick Whitman]

The amendment prevented the nation from establishing a religion.

That's correct.

But that's not what it means now.

 

[LongTimeListener]

Isn't this essentially the same whackjobbery behind that whole Sovereign Nation movement that believes it can reject the idea of federal taxes?

 

[Captain Obvious]

If NC actually does this, you can bet other states will follow. Utah has pretty much a de facto state religion now.

Hello, Confederate States of America.

Mark2010, your point is well taken. I am sure Utah's Mormons were salavating when they saw this. I personally think this is a terrible idea (Founding Fathers logic be damned, I guess, as far as NC legislators are concerned).

Even the leadership of the LDS Church considers Utah's GOP legislators too right-wing.

 

[Bob Cook]

Isn't this essentially the same whackjobbery behind that whole Sovereign Nation movement that believes it can reject the idea of federal taxes?

Yes. The same whackjobbery that, in the Clinton era, had people placing long classified ads in the paper I worked for with language declaring themselves (and their trailer and land) sovereign from the U.S. I was glad to at least benefit from the ad revenue.

 

[dog eat dog world]

The amendment prevented the nation from establishing a religion.

That's correct.

But that's not what it means now.

According to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid doctrine, no. States are pawns. Their rights are symbolic.

 

[dog eat dog world]

If NC actually does this, you can bet other states will follow. Utah has pretty much a de facto state religion now.

Hello, Confederate States of America.

Mark2010, your point is well taken. I am sure Utah's Mormons were salavating when they saw this. I personally think this is a terrible idea (Founding Fathers logic be damned, I guess, as far as NC legislators are concerned).

Even the leadership of the LDS Church considers Utah's GOP legislators too right-wing.

Source?

 

[Captain Obvious]

If NC actually does this, you can bet other states will follow. Utah has pretty much a de facto state religion now.

Hello, Confederate States of America.

Mark2010, your point is well taken. I am sure Utah's Mormons were salavating when they saw this. I personally think this is a terrible idea (Founding Fathers logic be damned, I guess, as far as NC legislators are concerned).

Even the leadership of the LDS Church considers Utah's GOP legislators too right-wing.

Source?

Deseret News urging the governor to veto a bill to drastically reduce regulations concerning concealed weapons and the Utah Compact come to mind.

 

[Armchair_QB]

I so look forward to seeing the teeth-gnashing when the proposal comes up that make Islam or Judiasm the state religionof North Carolina.

And why am I not shocked that Republicans are sponsoring this?

I would love to see which side the ACLU comes down on if Islam or Judaism were put forward as state religions as opposed to Christianity.

 

[Dick Whitman]

The amendment prevented the nation from establishing a religion.

That's correct.

But that's not what it means now.

According to the Obama-Pelosi-Reid doctrine, no. States are pawns. Their rights are symbolic.

According to the Supreme Court for about 100 years.

 

[Big Circus]

I so look forward to seeing the teeth-gnashing when the proposal comes up that make Islam or Judiasm the state religionof North Carolina.

And why am I not shocked that Republicans are sponsoring this?

I would love to see which side the ACLU comes down on if Islam or Judaism were put forward as state religions as opposed to Christianity.

Agin' it. Look at their defenses of KKK members. The ACLU is nothing if not consistent.