Dzhokhar Tsarnaev will be tried in civilian court, not military tribunal

[BenPoquette]

If the feds are treating him like an enemy combatant, why are they going to try him in civilian court? I understand he is a naturalized citizen, but can't they revoke his citizenship for his behavior?

 

[YankeeFan]

They're not treating him like an enemy combatant.

They delayed advising him of his Miranda rights for 48 hours or so under a national security exception.

Unless he lied on his citizenship application, there are no grounds for revoking his citizenship.

Maybe he should not have been given citizenship, but once given, it's not -- and shouldn't be -- easy to revoke, and he get the rights that come with it.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

Why start a new thread about this?

 

[Uncle.Ruckus]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

 

[BenPoquette]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

Not even close. I have no problem with how the Justice Department has handled this situation so far. They were dealt a very ****ty hand and have done as well as could be expected.

Yankee...isn't there a loyalty oath as part of the process of becoming a citizen? Could they look at his behavior as violating that loyalty oath?

I started a new thread because this is not about the bombing, more about how the post-bombing decisions are being made.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

Not even close. I have no problem with how the Justice Department has handled this situation so far. They were dealt a very ****ty hand and have done as well as could be expected.

Yankee...isn't there a loyalty oath as part of the process of becoming a citizen? Could they look at his behavior as violating that loyalty oath?

I started a new thread because this is not about the bombing, more about how the post-bombing decisions are being made.

Committing any crime is a violation of that oath. Even speeding.

 

[heyabbott]

He's a U.S. Citizen who committed crimes in the USA. What kind of enemy is he? Does everyone who gets in a shootout with cops become an enemy combatant?

 

[BenPoquette]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

Not even close. I have no problem with how the Justice Department has handled this situation so far. They were dealt a very ****ty hand and have done as well as could be expected.

Yankee...isn't there a loyalty oath as part of the process of becoming a citizen? Could they look at his behavior as violating that loyalty oath?

I started a new thread because this is not about the bombing, more about how the post-bombing decisions are being made.

Committing any crime is a violation of that oath. Even speeding.

Yes, but you can't argue that speeding and bombing civilians should be looked at the same.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

Not even close. I have no problem with how the Justice Department has handled this situation so far. They were dealt a very ****ty hand and have done as well as could be expected.

Yankee...isn't there a loyalty oath as part of the process of becoming a citizen? Could they look at his behavior as violating that loyalty oath?

I started a new thread because this is not about the bombing, more about how the post-bombing decisions are being made.

Committing any crime is a violation of that oath. Even speeding.

Yes, but you can't argue that speeding and bombing civilians should be looked at the same.

More important question: What if he were innocent?

I don't know what the policy is on revoking citizenship once granted/earned, but it seems like even if it were possible, it would have to happen after a trial and conviction/plea bargain, not before, right?

 

[BenPoquette]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

Not even close. I have no problem with how the Justice Department has handled this situation so far. They were dealt a very ****ty hand and have done as well as could be expected.

Yankee...isn't there a loyalty oath as part of the process of becoming a citizen? Could they look at his behavior as violating that loyalty oath?

I started a new thread because this is not about the bombing, more about how the post-bombing decisions are being made.

Committing any crime is a violation of that oath. Even speeding.

Yes, but you can't argue that speeding and bombing civilians should be looked at the same.

More important question: What if he were innocent?

I don't know what the policy is on revoking citizenship once granted/earned, but it seems like even if it were possible, it would have to happen after a trial and conviction/plea bargain, not before, right?

Good point. How about making him take the oath again in court?

 

[YankeeFan]

The guy is a citizen. Period.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Is this the **** On Obama and Eric Holder thread?

Not even close. I have no problem with how the Justice Department has handled this situation so far. They were dealt a very ****ty hand and have done as well as could be expected.

Yankee...isn't there a loyalty oath as part of the process of becoming a citizen? Could they look at his behavior as violating that loyalty oath?

I started a new thread because this is not about the bombing, more about how the post-bombing decisions are being made.

Committing any crime is a violation of that oath. Even speeding.

Yes, but you can't argue that speeding and bombing civilians should be looked at the same.

More important question: What if he were innocent?

I don't know what the policy is on revoking citizenship once granted/earned, but it seems like even if it were possible, it would have to happen after a trial and conviction/plea bargain, not before, right?

Good point. How about making him take the oath again in court?

But you'd still have to try him in civilian court, which seems to be the issue, right? Where he's tried?

 

[Boom_70]

He should try and plead it down to leaving the scene of an accident.

 

[Dick Whitman]

He should try and plead it down to leaving the scene of an accident.

First offense, right?

 

[Captain Obvious]

If citizenship rights can be taken without due process, then citizenship is a useless legal concept.

 

[old_tony]

The media already are working on getting the acquittal by continually showing the picture of him from when he was an innocent-looking 14- or 15-year-old. Reminds me a lot of the Travon Martin case and the pictures they chose to run of both Travon and Zimmerman.

That said, he's a citizen and this is a criminal case. I have no problem with that, as long as the charges remain federal and the death penalty is on the table.

 

[BenPoquette]

CO makes sense. I am looking at it differently, I guess. What if this guy was working in concert with a foreign government or entity? I guess that can't be proven without a trial.

FYI, taking citizenship has been done before.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Knauer_v._United_States/Opinion_of_the_Court

 

[Captain Obvious]

Bloodlust isn't confined to terrorists.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Let's hope he gets a fair trial so when it's over we can take him out back and hang him.

 

[Dick Whitman]

The media already are working on getting the acquittal by continually showing the picture of him from when he was an innocent-looking 14- or 15-year-old. Reminds me a lot of the Travon Martin case and the pictures they chose to run of both Travon and Zimmerman.

That said, he's a citizen and this is a criminal case. I have no problem with that, as long as the charges remain federal and the death penalty is on the table.

Tony, I find it hard to understand how you can square your desire to see this charged as a federal offense with your politics.