Chiefs make a hire: Todd Haley

[Simon]

Per Jay Glazer/Fox Sports: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9187366/Sources:-Cards-assistant-tabbed-to-coach-Chiefs

 

[friend of a friend]

Another swing and a miss for Mort.

What is it, strike 12 now?

 

[Mark2010]

Not really impressed one way or the other. Maybe he'll pan out, maybe he won't. Time will tell.

Good luck selling the house in Phoenix.

Good luck finding someone to take Larry Johnson off your hands. Maybe you can lure Kurt Warner to take the place of Tyler Thigpen.

 

[Diabeetus]

Do not want Kurt. He'd get crippled. And if no one will give even a late round pick for LJ, they should cut his ass. I don't want to see him in a Chiefs uni ever again.

 

[Barsuk]

This Chiefs fan is pleased.

 

[kingcreole]

It's not an impressive hire because Todd Haley has never been a head coach. We'll know if five years if this was a good hire.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Nobody evcer heard of this guy until Anquan Boldin yelled at him.

 

[outofplace]

I have to agree with TSP on this one.

Also, how hard can it be to run a successful offense with a quarterback like Warner throwing to the best receiving corps in the league? I wonder if Haley even had that much control on offense since Whisenhunt is an offensive guy.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Another swing and a miss for Mort.

What is it, strike 12 now?

Man is he having a bad year. I love it.

 

[forever_town]

It's not an impressive hire because Todd Haley has never been a head coach. We'll know if five years if this was a good hire.

Faulty logic. Experience doesn't necessarily mean someone's going to be a good head coach (see: Phillips, Wade). Lack of experience doesn't necessarily mean someone's going to be a bad head coach (see: Gibbs, Joe v. 1.0).

It's too early to tell if Todd Haley's going to be a good head coach. He's arguably in a situation where we may not find out with that train wreck of a franchise he's going to. But to say this is a bad hire because Haley has never been a head coach is ridiculous.

 

[Barsuk]

It's not an impressive hire because Todd Haley has never been a head coach. We'll know if five years if this was a good hire.

Faulty logic. Experience doesn't necessarily mean someone's going to be a good head coach (see: Phillips, Wade). Lack of experience doesn't necessarily mean someone's going to be a bad head coach (see: Gibbs, Joe v. 1.0).

It's too early to tell if Todd Haley's going to be a good head coach. He's arguably in a situation where we may not find out with that train wreck of a franchise he's going to. But to say this is a bad hire because Haley has never been a head coach is ridiculous.

I think you misunderstood kingcreole's point. In fact, I think you and he agree entirely. But I could be wrong.

 

[bostonbred]

What Pioli should do:

Trade for Cassell (2009 2nd round pick, 2010 first rounder) and sign him long term, add a RB in the draft (Donald Brown, Shonn Greene, LeSean McCoy), dump Larry Johnson (which is going to happen anyway), and trade the 3rd selection in the draft to fill some holes on defense (especially pass rush - embarassing group last season). I might even consider drafting Aaron Curry third.

 

[93Devil]

What Pioli should do:

Trade for Cassell (2009 2nd round pick, 2010 first rounder) and sign him long term, add a RB in the draft (Donald Brown, Shonn Greene, LeSean McCoy), dump Larry Johnson (which is going to happen anyway), and trade the 3rd selection in the draft to fill some holes on defense (especially pass rush - embarassing group last season). I might even consider drafting Aaron Curry third.

Spoken like a Patriots fan.

Any team trading for Cassell right now should be counseled by the league so they can stay competitive with the big kids.

 

[Oz]

It's not an impressive hire because Todd Haley has never been a head coach. We'll know if five years if this was a good hire.

So does that mean Herm Edwards was an impressive hire years ago?

 

[beardpuller]

I stood in front of Haley for about 40 minutes on media day last week for a profile piece. I was impressed with his passion and intelligence, but I really didn't like how he went out of his way to underscore how happy he was in Arizona, how he hadn't really gotten into this with the goal of becoming a head coach (yeah, right) and how he just couldn't conceive of leaving. Then, when some of us prodded him, he acknowledged he'd like to be a head coach.
What an awkward, silly dance. When you're a coordinator for a Super Bowl team, who might get interviewed for a better job when the game is over, just say "I really can't afford to be thinking about that now. My only focus is helping the blankety-blanks win the Super Bowl."
Spare us the tortured rhetoric about how much your wife and kids love living in blankety-blank, etc.

 

[shockey]

It's not an impressive hire because Todd Haley has never been a head coach. We'll know if five years if this was a good hire.

So does that mean Herm Edwards was an impressive hire years ago?

true dat, oz. geez, the two guys in the supe on sunday had zero h.c. experience, much like many other hires of the last two years. todd has been groomed by parcells, jauron and whisenhunt. he knows how to do it.

does that mean he'll be good at it? who the eff knows? but if he fails, it won't be because of the lack of experience card. you think gailey -- whom mort was trumpeting as a viable option -- would have been wiser? sheesh.

i really don't get what's happened to mort. seems like he buys anything anyone whispers in his ear these days without thinking it through. pioli NEVER EVER would have kicked off his regime by hiring a two-time loser like gailey.

 

[Pilot]

What Pioli should do:

Trade for Cassell (2009 2nd round pick, 2010 first rounder) and sign him long term, add a RB in the draft (Donald Brown, Shonn Greene, LeSean McCoy), dump Larry Johnson (which is going to happen anyway), and trade the 3rd selection in the draft to fill some holes on defense (especially pass rush - embarassing group last season). I might even consider drafting Aaron Curry third.

Haley and Cassell would be fantastic together. Nothing like gambling your next five years on two guys who managed to not totally suck when surrounded by tremendous talent.

 

[Diabeetus]

At this point, I'd like to see them give Thigpen another year. If he sucks, you'll have a ton of good QBs to go after in next year's draft. They can add someone via free agency like Peppers or Dansby (or both) to upgrade the D. They could draft the linebacker out of Wake or take one of the good tackles in the draft.

Really, they could go a ton of different directions because they're a little more than $37 million under the cap now. Plus, they'd be pushing $42 in free money once they cut Surtain ($3.8 mil freed up) and Donnie Edwards. If LJ goes, that's some more right there.

This is an ideal situation for someone wanting to shape a team.

 

[93Devil]

Correct me if I am wrong on any of this...

The Patriots are holding a $14.65 million dollar bill if every other owner in the NFL can keep their hands off of Cassell.

If another team signs Cassell, they are out two firsts.

If another team trades for Cassell, they eat his $14.65 million for this season and if they do not use their franchise on him in 2010, he will become a free agent in 2010. So the team would only have Cassell for one season.

Cassell's $14.65 million cap hit is the second highest in the league? Who would be higher?

 

[Diabeetus]

I'd imagine if a team were to trade for Cassell, they'd work out a long-term deal to avoid such an albatross contract.