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JimmyHoward33 said:
apeman33 said:
Today, a breaker could have been handed to us in the newsroom: non-compete agreements. Leave the paper and you can't work for one owned by a competing company within 30 miles for a year. This was met with one "That's retarded," one "I'm not signing," and one "When I leave here, I'm going much farther than 30 miles, anyway."

This is absurd. What benefit are you receiving for agreeing to this? The only non-compete clause I can think of in any walk of life is in pro wrestling, and those were built into guaranteed contracts in which you were paid to sit home during the non-compete period. I don't see how you can be compelled to sign if you don't have a contract right? Mind boggling.

The wrestling non-competes started in the late 90s when you had the WWF vs. WCW wars. There were wrestlers jumping the company from one night to the next (Lex Luger, Rick Rude, Madusa), just to screw up the other company. They started doing non-competes so that way they could plan for the future.
 
I can point to a number of things that eventually led to my eventual escape. I'm still pretty young, only 26, but I left my job this past January after putting in five-plus years of service to my hometown paper, during which time I was never hired full-time or was given a raise.

When I started I was nothing more than a sports clerk, answering phones, helping news with late obits, so on and so forth. I was in college and I didn't mind. I naive enough to believe the experience was getting me somewhere. I remember hiring on in December and immediately being called the day I accepted the job to come in because some guys were short on hours. A week later the holiday schedule came out and I was scheduled for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day. That was a rude awakening.

After three months on the job one of the prep writers left to write for a local magazine in town. I was asked to pickup the slack. I was eager and welcomed the chance to get out of the office. I didn't expect to get hired full time and never said a word about it. In the summer a hire was made to replace the writer and I went back to answering phones and occasionally did some stories when time allowed.

After another 8 months or so that writer left for another job. I still had a year of school left but approached my SE about the job. He said that the publisher wouldn't allow me to be full time until I had a degree. So once again I picked up the slack, basically becoming a full time prep writer, only without the benefits and making $7.00 an hour.

As summer approached another hire was made. Kid about my age, but with a degree. He finished out the high school baseball season and plunged right into legion ball (its huge in my area). He wasn't at our shop for long though. I had asked off for two weeks to take a trip outside the country in July. When I returned he had been let go due to cutbacks (my favorite was the publisher asking him to finish the feature he was working on and they paid him freelance...about 30 bucks). So once again I assumed the role of full time prep writer without being full time.

He was never replaced and I continued on, being the good soldier. I graduated and approached the powers that be about being full time. I was told it couldn't happen and then I asked about a raise, also told couldn't happen. I explained that I had worked there for 3-plus years and felt that I had gone above and beyond my job description, but no dice. So I continued on. I worked 30-35 hours a week for the next two or so years with no benefits at 7 bucks an hour. Sure I could have left, but I genuinely liked the staff and this is where I wanted to work, just full time. My family lived in this town and I kept hoping for that full time.

So in November of this past one of news clerks had left for a full time and a new one was hired. One day I struck up a conversation with her and learned she was making a $1.50 more an hour than I was, even though she had just started. She wrote no stories. I believe her main job was answering phones, typing the weather and dealing with any late obits. I was hacked off. I made my decision at that point that I would make my escape.

I finished out the year and turned in my two weeks after the first of January. When asked why I told them I had worked there for 5-plus years at 7 bucks an hour, waiting for a full time job that never came. I also didn't like the fact new clerks were being hired at a higher pay scale than me and the fact I was doing full time work while still only getting part time pay.

I still have a good relationship with them surprisingly and they call me a lot wanting me to do freelance which I do because I enjoy the writing. However, I don't think I would ever go back even though I was never officially full time.
 
littlehurt98 said:
I can point to a number of things that eventually led to my eventual escape. I'm still pretty young, only 26, but I left my job this past January after putting in five-plus years of service to my hometown paper, during which time I was never hired full-time or was given a raise.

When I started I was nothing more than a sports clerk, answering phones, helping news with late obits, so on and so forth. I was in college and I didn't mind. I naive enough to believe the experience was getting me somewhere. I remember hiring on in December and immediately being called the day I accepted the job to come in because some guys were short on hours. A week later the holiday schedule came out and I was scheduled for Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, New Years Eve, New Years Day. That was a rude awakening.

After three months on the job one of the prep writers left to write for a local magazine in town. I was asked to pickup the slack. I was eager and welcomed the chance to get out of the office. I didn't expect to get hired full time and never said a word about it. In the summer a hire was made to replace the writer and I went back to answering phones and occasionally did some stories when time allowed.

After another 8 months or so that writer left for another job. I still had a year of school left but approached my SE about the job. He said that the publisher wouldn't allow me to be full time until I had a degree. So once again I picked up the slack, basically becoming a full time prep writer, only without the benefits and making $7.00 an hour.

As summer approached another hire was made. Kid about my age, but with a degree. He finished out the high school baseball season and plunged right into legion ball (its huge in my area). He wasn't at our shop for long though. I had asked off for two weeks to take a trip outside the country in July. When I returned he had been let go due to cutbacks (my favorite was the publisher asking him to finish the feature he was working on and they paid him freelance...about 30 bucks). So once again I assumed the role of full time prep writer without being full time.

He was never replaced and I continued on, being the good soldier. I graduated and approached the powers that be about being full time. I was told it couldn't happen and then I asked about a raise, also told couldn't happen. I explained that I had worked there for 3-plus years and felt that I had gone above and beyond my job description, but no dice. So I continued on. I worked 30-35 hours a week for the next two or so years with no benefits at 7 bucks an hour. Sure I could have left, but I genuinely liked the staff and this is where I wanted to work, just full time. My family lived in this town and I kept hoping for that full time.

So in November of this past one of news clerks had left for a full time and a new one was hired. One day I struck up a conversation with her and learned she was making a $1.50 more an hour than I was, even though she had just started. She wrote no stories. I believe her main job was answering phones, typing the weather and dealing with any late obits. I was hacked off. I made my decision at that point that I would make my escape.

I finished out the year and turned in my two weeks after the first of January. When asked why I told them I had worked there for 5-plus years at 7 bucks an hour, waiting for a full time job that never came. I also didn't like the fact new clerks were being hired at a higher pay scale than me and the fact I was doing full time work while still only getting part time pay.

I still have a good relationship with them surprisingly and they call me a lot wanting me to do freelance which I do because I enjoy the writing. However, I don't think I would ever go back even though I was never officially full time.

Yeah, you got screwed over, especially after they hired another clerk when you had your degree.

Some of the stuff, to play devil's advocate, may not have been upper management's fault, if your paper belonged to a corporate chain. But at the same time, if you've done a good job for them, they should have offered you some sort of FT gig.
 
Mine was the realization that the top guy in my office would always think of me as an inexperienced and uneducated moron.

The details aren't relevant, but up until a certain point I felt like there was a future if I chose a certain path, but it came to light it wouldn't happen.

It revealed itself one day in one of those employer-employee meetings that are supposed to make you feel like ****, and it did.

It took me awhile to leave after that, but that's when I realized life at that job was over. The Peace Corps application process is about a year long and the best I can say is I didn't strangle any of my supervisors in that time.

Seeing the look on that guy's face when I quit is one of my favorite memories.
 
Hitting a certain age and realizing that I didn't have a partner, let alone a family of my own, because the demands of my job made it impossible to attempt to establish any type of significant relationship with the opposite sex.

Covering Super Bowls, Olympics and Final Fours meant nothing if I came home to an empty place for the rest of my life.
 
Depressing thread...and yes, this is a tough profession on families...I've luckily found a niche where I'm able to do a lot of work from home and make my own schedule...still there are nights I'd rather be having movie night with my kids than watching high school baseball.
 
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nobody_important said:
Covering Super Bowls, Olympics and Final Fours meant nothing if I came home to an empty place for the rest of my life.

Well said.
 
Hey Littlehurt thanks for sharing. I have been through a very similar story, though I was evenautally hired FT it has not been all it seemed cracked up to be. You may have been blssed to get out hwen you did. I've seen your story happen to a lot of guys our age at sister papers or competitors in the area so your tale really hit home for me. Thanks.
 
Had just been promoted (albeit due to attrition) to copy desk chief and night news editor. Got married. Two weeks after the wedding, wife breaks down crying that she never sees me. That was that.
 
Baron, I know I could have left for other jobs during that time, but I wasn't willing to move very far away from my family. I could have dealt with a days drive away but when I did apply for jobs that were close I never got the interview and I go back to genuinely wanting to work for my hometown paper. It does belong to a chain, one with a not so good reputation, but I never had a problem with anything other than the crappy pay and lack of full time status.

I can say now that I'm gone I am a lot happier, even though I do miss it some. I don't feel as stressed all the time and I'm not spending Saturday afternoons covering little league or some other event very people care about. At least with the freelance I have the ability to say no if I don't want to do it. My old SE knows my abilities and I stayed busy during basketball season after leaving.
 
No matter what you do, you make choices and sacrifices. It used to be somewhat easier to justify the choices and sacrifices we made to stay in journalism, because there was more job security and a greater chance for advancement. Everybody obviously makes their own choices.

I left the job, went to school, and now work at a new job.

Last night, I didn't leave the office until 10:30 p.m. or so. Why not? Because I like my job and opted to work late to get some stuff done and make people happy with me. It's the same choice so many of us make and made in journalism.

The difference, of course, is that I get paid more money to do it. But it's a more structured job (i.e. suit, tie and regular hours) and they don't pay to send you to the Rose Bowl. Do I miss journalism? Sure, how could you love doing something for 15 years and not miss it? Do I love my new job? Absolutely, and you'll never get to stand in front of a Federal Court judge in journalism and try to convince him you're correct. Different gigs, different upsides and downsides.

In the end, we all have our own personal equation of when it's worth it and when it's not - no matter what we do. We all have to decide when the math doesn't work for you any more.
 
Still in the biz, but I see it. Luckily, some things broke my way and I was able to stay in, but if I get a major offer out of the biz (still trying to do) I am gone.

Here's the hardest thing for me:

Last three years missed New Year's with the kids because been at a bowl game. this year, left day after xmas, really early. Imagine packing Xmas night to leave on a 6am flight?

So anyway, Year 1: "daddy where are you?"

Year 2: "Daddy I miss you, you coming home soon?

This year when I got back, my 14 month old boy didn't even know who I was. Ugh.
 
king cranium maximus IV said:
Had just been promoted (albeit due to attrition) to copy desk chief and night news editor. Got married. Two weeks after the wedding, wife breaks down crying that she never sees me. That was that.

So how much did the divorce cost you? :)
 
apeman33 said:
JimmyHoward33 said:
apeman33 said:
Today, a breaker could have been handed to us in the newsroom: non-compete agreements. Leave the paper and you can't work for one owned by a competing company within 30 miles for a year. This was met with one "That's retarded," one "I'm not signing," and one "When I leave here, I'm going much farther than 30 miles, anyway."

This is absurd. What benefit are you receiving for agreeing to this? The only non-compete clause I can think of in any walk of life is in pro wrestling, and those were built into guaranteed contracts in which you were paid to sit home during the non-compete period. I don't see how you can be compelled to sign if you don't have a contract right? Mind boggling.

In a lot of markets, no-competes are in contracts for TV and radio personalities. But I had never heard a newspaper trying it until today.

And, no, none of us have a contract. I don't even understand why this is an issue unless the company has been having a rash of people going to competitors in the areas in which they own truckloads of papers.

Seeing as Kansas is a right to work state, I'm curious as to whether or not it's even enforceable here.

Yeah, a friend of mine went through that BS last year. He wanted out of the entire industry anyway, so it was sort of a moot point. But he let them know in no uncertain terms that the company had no legal ground to stand on when it came to whatever future decisions he might make. It would be like Walmart telling its employees they couldn't quit and go work for Target. Same premise.

I think companies just use that stuff as scare tactics.
 
I can't tell you how much more fun it is for me now to work a Division-II football or basketball game, even though the amount of work on game day can be immense. I mean, the SI dept. is two of us, and yet we'll wheel the scorer's table out, replace the nets, setup monitors -- the whole thing, start to finish. Does it get me down, though? Hell no. Even when Im banging away at the gamer hours later, I'm still getting to do what I want and how I want to do it. And everybody -- from the chancellor's office to the conference office -- loves that I don't write the typical SID gamer. I write a story.

And when it's all said an done, and everything goes off without a hitch -- at least to the people who are around the scenes, not behind them -- that's a huge rush.

The other day, we had a quasi-hack job done on one of our sports by the local paper. Not to get into too many details, but there were two ways to handle it. My boss and the AD chose my route after I laid it out to them. And it worked out.

Yes, SID work can be long and it can be tough. But when it's so appreciated, it's a whole new level. And when your school is winning? Well, it's a helluva lot different than when Podunk High is winning. It just is.

Now I'll go back to my show-up-once-a-week-in-the-office schedule for the next 2 1/2 months. Enjoy little league all-stars...
 
I'm still in the business, but there are a couple points I almost gave up.
At my last newspaper, I wrote a gigantic story about the high school girl's team celebrating the 25th anniversary of their only HS basketball title. The day it was supposed to run - a day before the actual anniversary - was going to be the big Sunday piece. On Friday, the advertising director came to our managing editor and said "I have a problem."
Apparently, they needed to put a "make-do" ad for screwing something up, and wanted it in color. Long story short, only place they could put it was the front page of the sports section. (Page 2, the other color page, already had a couple color ads on it). I went ballistic on the advertising director within reason, never threatening or what have you, and found a way to work around it. Cut the 2,500-word story into a 700-word "preview" of the story, then ran it the next Sunday.
In addition, at the paper I work at currently, we've had some notoriety recently because we have a newsperson who is involved with both sides of a humanitarian cause that has been statewide news because of shenanigans. That person has been on indefinite leave of absence, but it's incredulous that the paper has allowed her to play in both backyards.
There are also a few instances of people in the community going over my head right to the publisher about something; getting deadlines cut back or restrictions placed on my job; and the usual griping.
 
My breaking point for the business was when I quit my job and realized I had no desire for another one. Mrs. Stain had been itching to go back to full-time work, and it turns out being a stay-at-home dad is awesome.

I've got a part-time job for a nearby paper, just taking phone calls one night a week and covering a game or two, and that's just perfect. 8-10 hours a week is about as much journalism as I can stomach before it becomes more stress than it's worth.

Every other time I've been out of work, I've been desperate to find the next full-time newspaper gig. This time, I just can't even stomach the idea.
 

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