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Baghdad Bob was a better PR guy than the whole BP cadre. At least he was funny.
 
Point of Order said:
YankeeFan said:
Point of Order said:
Dude, a yacht race?!?! Boats, sailors, people enjoying clean seas and an unaffected coastline?!?! Go to the opera, the ballet, a Broadway show, a baseball game. Anything but a damn yacht race and you probably stay off the news.

Probably true. But what's the standard now, and who does it apply to?

How about this for a standard: if the company you're the CEO of, that grossly negligently causes the worst environmental disaster in the history of the United States, ruining the sea, beaches, wetlands, and economic viability of an entire region, then don't be seen enjoying the very thing you robbed that region of, at least not while the oil is still gushing out at 60k+ barrels a day.
When has it been proven BP was grossly negligent? Didn't Obama's administration have BP up as one of three finalists for a federal award honoring offshore oil companies for "outstanding safety and pollution prevention."
Both BP and the US Government have made a lot of mistakes, but I haven't seen where the rig explosion was anything but a tragic accident.
 
highlander said:
Point of Order said:
YankeeFan said:
Point of Order said:
Dude, a yacht race?!?! Boats, sailors, people enjoying clean seas and an unaffected coastline?!?! Go to the opera, the ballet, a Broadway show, a baseball game. Anything but a damn yacht race and you probably stay off the news.

Probably true. But what's the standard now, and who does it apply to?

How about this for a standard: if the company you're the CEO of, that grossly negligently causes the worst environmental disaster in the history of the United States, ruining the sea, beaches, wetlands, and economic viability of an entire region, then don't be seen enjoying the very thing you robbed that region of, at least not while the oil is still gushing out at 60k+ barrels a day.
When has it been proven BP was grossly negligent? Didn't Obama's administration have BP up as one of three finalists for a federal award honoring offshore oil companies for "outstanding safety and pollution prevention."
Both BP and the US Government have made a lot of mistakes, but I haven't seen where the rig explosion was anything but a tragic accident.

Dude, I'm in the "**** happens" camp on a lot of things -- including this, to an extent -- but you're off-base on this one. The congressional hearings have pretty much made it clear that BP took enough shortcuts in drilling the well to make a blowout much more likely. Kind of like the kid who jumps off the roof 99 times, then breaks his leg on the 100th jump and says, "I don't know how this happened."
 
Wait, weren't there reports even shortly after the explosion that the crew on the rig repeatedly warned of safety risks that were being taken and were repeatedly told to keep cranking out the oil and damn the risks? That sounds grossly negligent to me, but then I don't have Ph.D. like Heyward does. This guy might be the most callous individual in our lifetime.
 
highlander said:
Point of Order said:
YankeeFan said:
Point of Order said:
Dude, a yacht race?!?! Boats, sailors, people enjoying clean seas and an unaffected coastline?!?! Go to the opera, the ballet, a Broadway show, a baseball game. Anything but a damn yacht race and you probably stay off the news.

Probably true. But what's the standard now, and who does it apply to?

How about this for a standard: if the company you're the CEO of, that grossly negligently causes the worst environmental disaster in the history of the United States, ruining the sea, beaches, wetlands, and economic viability of an entire region, then don't be seen enjoying the very thing you robbed that region of, at least not while the oil is still gushing out at 60k+ barrels a day.
When has it been proven BP was grossly negligent? Didn't Obama's administration have BP up as one of three finalists for a federal award honoring offshore oil companies for "outstanding safety and pollution prevention."
Both BP and the US Government have made a lot of mistakes, but I haven't seen where the rig explosion was anything but a tragic accident.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/19/gulf-oil-spill-anarkdo-petroleum-blames-bp
http://homelandsecuritynewswire.com/bps-negligence-cost-cutting-measures-caused-explosion-spill
http://online.wSportsJournalists.com/article/SB10001424052748703303904575293270746496824.html?KEYWORDS=Samson
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/15/science/earth/15rig.html
http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/06/troubling_testimony_from_bp_en.html
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-17/cracks-show-bp-battled-well-two-months-before-blast-update1-.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/14/AR2010061403580.html
http://blogs.ajc.com/jay-bookman-blog/2010/06/19/bp-was-active-agent-in-its-demise-and-that-of-others/?cxntfid=blogs_jay_bookman_blog
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/19/business/19nocera.html?src=busln

I can continue, if you'd like.
 
The clean up effort is being run the Three Stooges of the 21st Century, instead of Larry, Moe and Curly, it's Barack Obama, Thad Allen and Tony Hayward, who was replaced by Doug Suttles, just like Curly was replaced by Shemp.

BP's doing a REAL GOOD job at digging a hole for itself quickly, too bad they can't dig the relief well this quick and stop the oil from gushing out of the whole.

I do find it funny BP put's this message on it's Facebook page:
19 June 2010 Update: On June 18, total oil recovered was approx. 24,500 barrels, Total oil recovered from both the LMRP Cap and Q4000 systems since they were implemented is approx. 228,500 barrels.

Sounds like a lot until you think about the 60k gallons a day that are gushing out!!
 
MSNBC discussing Obama's day yesterday.

Guess what? He played golf.

But, unlike Tony Hayward, he has the power to prevent any pictures from being taken. He played on a military base and they didn't let the press pool snap a shot.
 
Oh, and it looks like Hayward not only attended the yacht race, but participated.

MSNBC showed a picture of a guy in a baseball cap & sun glasses on the boat that they think is him.
 
YankeeFan said:
MSNBC discussing Obama's day yesterday.

Guess what? He played golf.

But, unlike Tony Hayward, he has the power to prevent any pictures from being taken. He played on a military base and they didn't let the press pool snap a shot.

Do you understand that Obama didn't cause the spill?
 
Point of Order said:
YankeeFan said:
MSNBC discussing Obama's day yesterday.

Guess what? He played golf.

But, unlike Tony Hayward, he has the power to prevent any pictures from being taken. He played on a military base and they didn't let the press pool snap a shot.

Do you understand that Obama didn't cause the spill?

So, he has no role in getting the hole plugged or the cleanup of the Gulf?

Under pressure to step up his response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, President Barack Obama tried to assure the country Thursday that he and his administration are in charge and working feverishly to clean up the mess.

"My job is to get this fixed," Obama said a day before leaving for his second tour of the Gulf since an April 20 oil rig explosion triggered what's now acknowledged to be the worst spill in the nation's history.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down. . . . The federal government is fully engaged. And I'm fully engaged."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/27/94962/obama-under-pressure-from-continuing.html#ixzz0rOopMUf4

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama said. Saying he was angry and frustrated over the inability of BP and the federal government to contain the man-made disaster, Obama said daughter Malia, 11, on Thursday knocked "on my bathroom door and she peeks in her head and she says, "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?"

Obama's team has been on the defensive since the April 20 explosion of the oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, killing 11 people and creating an underwater gusher that the company has been struggling to cap. Obama makes a second trip to the region since the accident today, flying to New Orleans to assess the deepwater spill in the Louisiana Gulf.

The Obama communications team called the press conference to underscore that the White House -- and not BP -- was calling the shots. While BP has more specialized equipment than the government, Obama said "ultimately it is our folks down there who are responsible."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/2327760,CST-NWS-sweet28.article
 
YankeeFan said:
Point of Order said:
YankeeFan said:
MSNBC discussing Obama's day yesterday.

Guess what? He played golf.

But, unlike Tony Hayward, he has the power to prevent any pictures from being taken. He played on a military base and they didn't let the press pool snap a shot.

Do you understand that Obama didn't cause the spill?

So, he has no role in getting the hole plugged or the cleanup of the Gulf?

Under pressure to step up his response to the Gulf of Mexico oil spill, President Barack Obama tried to assure the country Thursday that he and his administration are in charge and working feverishly to clean up the mess.

"My job is to get this fixed," Obama said a day before leaving for his second tour of the Gulf since an April 20 oil rig explosion triggered what's now acknowledged to be the worst spill in the nation's history.

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down. . . . The federal government is fully engaged. And I'm fully engaged."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/05/27/94962/obama-under-pressure-from-continuing.html#ixzz0rOopMUf4

"I take responsibility. It is my job to make sure that everything is done to shut this down," Obama said. Saying he was angry and frustrated over the inability of BP and the federal government to contain the man-made disaster, Obama said daughter Malia, 11, on Thursday knocked "on my bathroom door and she peeks in her head and she says, "Did you plug the hole yet, Daddy?"

Obama's team has been on the defensive since the April 20 explosion of the oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, killing 11 people and creating an underwater gusher that the company has been struggling to cap. Obama makes a second trip to the region since the accident today, flying to New Orleans to assess the deepwater spill in the Louisiana Gulf.

The Obama communications team called the press conference to underscore that the White House -- and not BP -- was calling the shots. While BP has more specialized equipment than the government, Obama said "ultimately it is our folks down there who are responsible."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/2327760,CST-NWS-sweet28.article

Do you understand the meaning of "cause"?
 
Point of Order said:
Do you understand the meaning of "cause"?

So what?

Lot's of things happen on a President's watch that they have to deal with -- even though they didn't cause it.

He said he's responsible for getting the leak stopped, not me.

He said he's focused on it 24 hours a day.

So, can you just please comment on the PR savvy of the Obama administration that criticizes Hayward at the same time Obama is out at ball games and playing rounds of golf?
 
Have you seen the story about the missing boy in Oregon?

Do you see an equivalence between whoever kidnapped (and possibly killed) the boy and the person in charge of finding the boy?
 
YankeeFan said:
Point of Order said:
Do you understand the meaning of "cause"?

So what?

Lot's of things happen on a President's watch that they have to deal with -- even though they didn't cause it.

He said he's responsible for getting the leak stopped, not me.

He said he's focused on it 24 hours a day.

So, can you just please comment on the PR savvy of the Obama administration that criticizes Hayward at the same time Obama is out at ball games and playing rounds of golf?

One big difference is that golf courses aren't being ruined by oil leaks. The Gulf is. Hayward is doing something that many people cannot do now thanks to his company's ****-up.

Had Hayward played a round of golf, the criticism wouldn't be quite as harsh. Had Obama went sailing, he would be getting ripped twice as hard.
 

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