BCS Standings

[Michael_ Gee]

Maybe we should try doing it like they used to with figure skating scores. Throw out the best and worst teams in each conference and match up what's left. By that standard, I'd say the Pac-12 looks pretty good.

 

[StaggerLee]

Maybe we should try doing it like they used to with figure skating scores. Throw out the best and worst teams in each conference and match up what's left. By that standard, I'd say the Pac-12 looks pretty good.

I agree, the Pac 12 does look pretty stout this year. And I know a lot of talking heads are proclaiming the conference better than the SEC. I'm sure that's one part wanting to say anything but the SEC is the best and one part true feeling.

The problem with the conference vs. conference debate is that there's no right answer. There's only speculation, because we'll never get 1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, 3 vs. 3, et al on a true neutral site (again, Dallas is not a neutral site for Alabama vs. Michigan; New Orleans is not neutral for LSU vs. Oklahoma).

I know one thing. I can't wait for the 4-team playoff. If the SEC rattles off 7 straight titles in the 4-team playoff, I'll shut up and never dare to mention any ill will for the SEC again. Until then, we're relying on a system that automatically rewards a team for being in the SEC and punishes another team for not. A LSU loss at Ole Miss is not treated the same as a Michigan loss at Penn State or an Oklahoma loss at Kansas. That's a simple fact.

 

[LongTimeListener]

It's called the SEC Vortex Of Domination (TM LTL), and as I've explained before, it works like this:

--Every SEC team is great.
--A loss in the conference is a "good loss" because it's to a quality team.
--A win in the conference is a "great win" because it's against a quality team.
--Everybody moves up in the rankings.

But now that it benefits Mizzou, I like it.

 

[dooley_womack1]

What does "a Big 12 team for at least another year" mean? No one is suggesting every other conference and team in every other conference is terrible.

Really, the only thing the Southeastern Conference fanbois have said here is that 13-0 Missouri would deserve a spot in the championship game. Do you disagree?

That means that they didn't instantly attract 85 SEC football players overnight. They are still playing with players they recruited as a Big 12 team.

If Missouri goes 13-0, yes they deserve to be in the title game. Not sure what that has to do with anything, and it further bolsters my argument because how can Missouri run through the SEC in only its second year in the conference.

Hell, Nebraska is still looking for its first Big 10 title, and we heard for an entire offseason how dominant they'd be in a soft Big 10. Penn State is still looking for its SECOND Big 10 title.

Come on, man. If the SEC is that good, how do they let a couple of Big 12 teams come in and compete right off the bat.

Because the Big 12 doesn't suck.

 

[StaggerLee]

It's called the SEC Vortex Of Domination (TM LTL), and as I've explained before, it works like this:

--Every SEC team is great.
--A loss in the conference is a "good loss" because it's to a quality team.
--A win in the conference is a "great win" because it's against a quality team.
--Everybody moves up in the rankings.

But now that it benefits Mizzou, I like it.

At least you're honest. I have a friend that's a Mizzou fan who absolutely hated the SEC for years. Now that Mizzou is in the SEC, he's an SEC fanboi through and through. It's kind of funny.

 

[StaggerLee]

What does "a Big 12 team for at least another year" mean? No one is suggesting every other conference and team in every other conference is terrible.

Really, the only thing the Southeastern Conference fanbois have said here is that 13-0 Missouri would deserve a spot in the championship game. Do you disagree?

That means that they didn't instantly attract 85 SEC football players overnight. They are still playing with players they recruited as a Big 12 team.

If Missouri goes 13-0, yes they deserve to be in the title game. Not sure what that has to do with anything, and it further bolsters my argument because how can Missouri run through the SEC in only its second year in the conference.

Hell, Nebraska is still looking for its first Big 10 title, and we heard for an entire offseason how dominant they'd be in a soft Big 10. Penn State is still looking for its SECOND Big 10 title.

Come on, man. If the SEC is that good, how do they let a couple of Big 12 teams come in and compete right off the bat.

Because the Big 12 doesn't suck.

And yet, the Big 12 is 6-13 against the SEC in bowl games since 2008. Interesting.

 

[dooley_womack1]

I'll certainly take Mizzou's success this season in the SEC, but I wish they and A&M were still in the Big 12.

And Stagger, that's more of a pro-SEC argument than an anti-Big 12 argument.

 

[StaggerLee]

I'll certainly take Mizzou's success this season in the SEC, but I wish they and A&M were still in the Big 12.

And Stagger, that's more of a pro-SEC argument than an anti-Big 12 argument.

It's a little of both. It still goes back to Mizzou and Texas A&M being good enough to win in the SEC when the conference's battle cry for the last few years is that no other conference team could come in there and have success. Mizzou and A&M are certainly proving otherwise.

 

[I Should Coco]

Aren't Iowa and Ole Miss playing this weekend?

Oh, wait ...

 

[Mark2010]

It will get to a point where the SEC teams won't have anyone other than themselves and a few Sun Belt schools desperate for dollars to play against. We're almost there now.

 

[Versatile]

For the record, players at Missouri and Texas A&M did become Southeastern Conference football players overnight in 2012. That's exactly how it worked.

 

[StaggerLee]

For the record, players at Missouri and Texas A&M did become Southeastern Conference football players overnight in 2012. That's exactly how it worked.

Awesome. So all you have to do is join a conference and your players instantly become the best in the country. Spectacular.

 

[RubberSoul1979]

A top-heavy SEC? I've been arguing that for years. Confederate Flag-waving, Gospel of Tim Brando-worshiping SEC fanbois conveniently ignore:
- When was the last time Ole Miss did anything without a Manning under center?
- When did Mississippi State last finish in the Top 10? Spend a week in the Top 10?
- Vanderbilt sucking for generations
- Kentucky since Bear Bryant left

The SEC has won the last seven national titles under the BCS, a system its former commissioner created. Coincidence?

 

[StaggerLee]

A top-heavy SEC? I've been arguing that for years. Confederate Flag-waving, Gospel of Tim Brando-worshiping SEC fanbois conveniently ignore:
- When was the last time Ole Miss did anything without a Manning under center?
- When did Mississippi State last finish in the Top 10? Spend a week in the Top 10?
- Vanderbilt sucking for generations
- Kentucky since Bear Bryant left

The SEC has won the last seven national titles under the BCS, a system its former commissioner created. Coincidence?

Now, why did you open that can of worms? I'm sure it's complete coincidence.

 

[BTExpress]

It's a little of both. It still goes back to Mizzou and Texas A&M being good enough to win in the SEC when the conference's battle cry for the last few years is that no other conference team could come in there and have success. Mizzou and A&M are certainly proving otherwise.

Actually, the battle cry was that the likes of Boise State (and other UNDEFEATED!!!! pretenders) could not come in there and have success.

Don't know who --- if anyone --- ever posted that top teams in other conferences (Oregon, Ohio State, etc.) could not "have success" in the SEC. That's straight out of your imagination.

 

[StaggerLee]

It's a little of both. It still goes back to Mizzou and Texas A&M being good enough to win in the SEC when the conference's battle cry for the last few years is that no other conference team could come in there and have success. Mizzou and A&M are certainly proving otherwise.

Actually, the battle cry was that the likes of Boise State (and other UNDEFEATED!!!! pretenders) could not come in there and have success.

Don't know who --- if anyone --- ever posted that top teams in other conferences (Oregon, Ohio State, etc.) could not "have success" in the SEC. That's straight out of your imagination.

Ahh, that's where it came from. Thanks for setting me straight. It was all just a dream. Whew. Now I can move on with my life.

 

[Armchair_QB]

It's a little of both. It still goes back to Mizzou and Texas A&M being good enough to win in the SEC when the conference's battle cry for the last few years is that no other conference team could come in there and have success. Mizzou and A&M are certainly proving otherwise.

Actually, the battle cry was that the likes of Boise State (and other UNDEFEATED!!!! pretenders) could not come in there and have success.

Don't know who --- if anyone --- ever posted that top teams in other conferences (Oregon, Ohio State, etc.) could not "have success" in the SEC. That's straight out of your imagination.

Actually, no it's not. There were plenty of folks who wrote that Missouri and A&M would struggle making the jump because they didn't have SEC-level athletes and hadn't been recent winners in the Big 12.

 

[User 1019]

A top-heavy SEC? I've been arguing that for years. Confederate Flag-waving, Gospel of Tim Brando-worshiping SEC fanbois conveniently ignore:
- When was the last time Ole Miss did anything without a Manning under center?

Won three bowl games in five years.

 

[BTExpress]

There were plenty of folks who wrote that Missouri and A&M would struggle making the jump because they didn't have SEC-level athletes and hadn't been recent winners in the Big 12.

There are plenty of folks who think we didn't walk on the moon, either. Doesn't make it the battle cry of the general populace.

In a nation of 330 million, there will always be outliers. The trick is not taking these to represent any significant percentage. The Internet --- and its ability to send 1 outlier's opinion to eleventy million people at the push of a button --- makes this trap especially easy to fall into,

 

[Armchair_QB]

You told Stagger he was imagining it. I pointed out you were full of ****. Now you're moving the goalposts.