BCS Standings

[BTExpress]

No. Stagger's claim was --- and I quote (boldface for emphasis) --- "the conference's battle cry for the last few years is that no other conference team could come in there and have success. Mizzou and A&M are certainly proving otherwise."

Read that again. NO OTHER TEAM could come into the SEC and have success. Oregon? Nope. USC? Nope. Ohio State? Nope. Florida State? Nope.

The conference's battle cry was never such, except in Stagger's mind.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Bull****.

 

[BTExpress]

And here's another one by --- guess who? --- our good buddy Stagger.

But you're right. SEC rules. 8-team playoff should be top 7 SEC teams and the worst team in the NFL. I think we can all agree on that.

Yep, no exaggeration there. That's what SEC fans believe. :

It's an all-too-common debate tactic. Make up some outrageous belief by another group so THEY are the ones who look crazy. The poster is just "innocently" passing this along.

 

[StaggerLee]

And here's another one by --- guess who? --- our good buddy Stagger.

But you're right. SEC rules. 8-team playoff should be top 7 SEC teams and the worst team in the NFL. I think we can all agree on that.

Yep, no exaggeration there. That's what SEC fans believe. :

It's an all-too-common debate tactic. Make up some outrageous belief by another group so THEY are the ones who look crazy. The poster is just "innocently" passing this along.

Please don't call me your buddy. I'm not your buddy. Will never be your buddy. I'm someone you don't know and likely will never know.

My bad for not including the blue font. I figured you'd be smart enough to figure out I was being sarcastic by adding the NFL thing. I was wrong. My bad, I gave you too much credit.

 

[joe]

These pissing matches are great fun to read. Thanks, guys!

 

[Versatile]

For the record, players at Missouri and Texas A&M did become Southeastern Conference football players overnight in 2012. That's exactly how it worked.

Awesome. So all you have to do is join a conference and your players instantly become the best in the country. Spectacular.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

 

[StaggerLee]

For the record, players at Missouri and Texas A&M did become Southeastern Conference football players overnight in 2012. That's exactly how it worked.

Awesome. So all you have to do is join a conference and your players instantly become the best in the country. Spectacular.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

And you knew exactly what I meant.

 

[RubberSoul1979]

Goodness gracious, let me rephrase my question about Ole Miss: When did they last finish in the Top 10, or spend a week in the Top 10, without a Manning?

To me, a pushover program is at best, forty years removed from playing in a major bowl (Sugar in this case, or Cotton, before the Bowl Alliance). A pushover program compiles consecutive decades where losing seasons outnumber winning ones. Pushover programs exist at "basketball schools." Pushover programs haven't won a conference title since before World War II. And forget about producing overall No. 1 draft picks, or national champions, Heisman winners, or even Heisman finalists. Pushover programs don't finish in the Top 10, either.

Between Ole Miss, Mississipp State, Kentucky and Vandy...that's 25 percent of the SEC (until the latest expansion) made up of pushover programs.

 

[User 1019]

Well, Ole Miss' bowl record suggests it is better than other pushover programs. Apples to apples, and all.

 

[BTExpress]

And forget about producing overall No. 1 draft picks,

But Ole Miss DID have a No. 1 overall draft pick, did it not?

And Kentucky DID have a No. 1 overall draft pick, did it not?

Seems odd that you would include that, when 2 of your four "pushovers" meet the criteria for not being a pushover (although I will readily admit that Kentucky is a pushover).

But Ole Miss has won 9 of its past 10 bowl games, its victims including Oklahoma, Nebraska, West Virginia and Oklahoma State.

Since 1970 the Rebels are 238-229-4, which would seem to clear the bar you set about teams "compiling consecutive decades where losing seasons outnumber winning ones." They had 7 winning seasons in a row from 1997-2003, and a winning season this year would make 4 in the past 6 years. Oh, and they just upset the No. 6 team last week and had one of the nation's top recruiting classes last February.

They are no powerhouse and may never be again. But they are no pushover, either.

 

[Versatile]

How many conferences can say every member school has produced at least three current NFL starters?

 

[Mizzougrad96]

The NFL thing doesn't mean a ton, or at least is pretty misleading. If it did, Maryland would have had a much better program over the last couple decades...

Florida has probably had more great QBs (at the college level) over the last 20+ years than any other school and all have gone on to careers mostly as backups... Hell, Grossman has probably had the best NFL career of the bunch...

Cal has more players in the NFL than most schools and have never won ****...

 

[RubberSoul1979]

I'll give you those bowl game wins. But if Hugh Freeze wants take that program to the next level (I hate that phrase, but it applies here), he must reverse decades of second-class citizenship in the SEC.
In the '70s, the Rebels endured six non-winning seasons. That number rose to seven the following decade, when Ole Miss continued to struggle against the conference elite. They went 3-31 against Auburn and Alabama combined between 1970 and 2000.

As far as today's SEC goes, they haven't beaten LSU or Bama since...?

 

[BTExpress]

As far as today's SEC goes, they haven't beaten LSU or Bama since...?

Last Saturday. Ole Miss 27, No. 6 LSU 24. And before that, they beat LSU in 2008 and 2009.

They beat Alabama in 2001 and 2003 and lost by four points or fewer in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007.

Which basically means they're not as good as Alabama (no ****). But there is a long drop between not being as good as Alabama and being a pushover. And whether Ole Miss gets to the "next level" isn't really the point. The level they are at is very competitive and is by no means a black mark on the SEC. If anything, the fact that a "second class" SEC team does so well speaks highly of the conference as a whole.

 

[RubberSoul1979]

I'm sold. Ole Miss: the 1980's Montreal Expos of the SEC.

 

[joe]

I'm going to the Mizzou-South Carolina game tomorrow, pretty sure it's the 20th consecutive year I've gotten a group of my college friends (and assorted wives, girlfriends and kids) together for a game each year (yes, I might be a masochist). And I'm exactly like what Pat Forde describes in this column (http://tinyurl.com/lajoy9g), waiting for the other shoe to drop.

****ing Fifth Down.