Basketball stats/scoring questions

[Clever username]

I'm sure this has been done before, but basketball season just started up here and I have stat/scoring questions that I never think to look up. Anyway, my biggest questions are about rebounds and steals.

Say Player A takes a shot and misses and the ball hits Player B's hands and then off Player C's and then Player D's, maybe squirts away and ends up in the hands of Player E, who takes obvious and firm possession of it. Does Player E get credit for the rebound?

And the same thing with steals. Say Player A knocks a pass away and Player A's teammate takes control of it. Does the teammate get credit for the steal? I would imagine the teammate, but that doesn't seem fair to Player A.

Offensive fouls are turnovers, correct?

And what if a player takes a shot, misses and the ball goes out of bounds? Is that a turnover but also count as a team rebound for the opposing team?

I think there's more but that will do for now. Forgive my ignorance.

 

[Leo Mazzone]

o-fouls are turnovers. I think whoever is first to control the ball on a missed shot is credited with the rebound, but I could be wrong.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

And what if a player takes a shot, misses and the ball goes out of bounds? Is that a turnover but also count as a team rebound for the opposing team?

I'm assuming you mean he takes a shot, hits rim and then the ball goes out of bounds.
That would be a shot attempt, no turnover and a team rebound for the other team.

Every shot has to have a rebound.

If the player airballed it and it went out of bounds, that would be a turnover and no shot attempt, I believe.

 

[Clever username]

And what if a player takes a shot, misses and the ball goes out of bounds? Is that a turnover but also count as a team rebound for the opposing team?

I'm assuming you mean he takes a shot, hits rim and then the ball goes out of bounds.
That would be a shot attempt, no turnover and a team rebound for the other team.

Every shot has to have a rebound.

If the player airballed it and it went out of bounds, that would be a turnover and no shot attempt, I believe.

What about airballs from the baseline that go completely over the hoop and have no backboard to bounce off? Although it's probably a universal airball rule.

 

[write then drink]

And what if a player takes a shot, misses and the ball goes out of bounds? Is that a turnover but also count as a team rebound for the opposing team?

it's not a turnover

it is a team rebound

remember, every missed shot has to have a rebound

at the end of the game, the total number of rebounds must equal the total number of missed shots

a missed free throw when the shooter gets another is a dead-ball rebound that does not count in a team's game-ending total

team rebounds do count

if Team A has possession and the ball-handler is tied up and there's a jump ball and Team B wins possession, that's a turnover. if Team A gets the ball back, no scoring

if there's a missed shot and players from both teams have a hand on the ball or a ball goes out of bounds and the refs don't know who touched it last and there's a jump ball, whoever wins gets a rebound

 

[FireJimTressel.com]

You guys are forgetting blocked shots. Rebounds plus blocked shots equal total field goal misses.

A couple things I have always done with rebounds...If Player A jumps from an inbounds position, grabs the ball with one hand and throws it off an opponent so the ball goes out of bounds, giving Player A's team possession, Player A gets credit for a rebound.
If Player B gets the ball with one hand and slaps or otherwise redirects it to a teammate, Player B gets the rebound. He/she showed enough control of the ball even though he/she did not come down with it. I guess this also goes for the first instance.

In a similar vein, if defensive Player C knocks it the ball away from an offensive player and it goes to another player, then Player C gets credit for the steal. Player C may not have been knocking it to that player on purpose, but the new player didn't do anything but go after a loose ball. if you're going to give a steal, give it to Player C.

And, yes, an airball is either a turnover or a pass, depending on which team gets the ball.

 

[KP]

Airball = not a shot ?

I gotta dust off the stat manual.

 

[ADifferentOkie]

I have no factual basis for this, but I can't believe an airball doesn't count as a shot. I'm going to need to see a quote to support that.

 

[SoSueMe]

I have no factual basis for this, but I can't believe an airball doesn't count as a shot. I'm going to need to see a quote to support that.

Interesting question because, if I'm not mistaken, a player can catch his own airball and it not be whistled as a turnover/travel if the officials say "it was a legitimate shot attempt."

 

[MC Sports Guy]

an airball is definitely a shot, the same way it would be if it did nothing but hit backboard.

the steal question is a good one, though. Is it the player that knocks it loose or the player that corrals it?

 

[SoSueMe]

an airball is definitely a shot, the same way it would be if it did nothing but hit backboard.

the steal question is a good one, though. Is it the player that knocks it loose or the player that corrals it?

Would it be neither, and just simply a turnover for the team that lost possession? Not every turnover is a steal.

 

[write then drink]

You guys are forgetting blocked shots. Rebounds plus blocked shots equal total field goal misses.

huh? a blocked shot is a missed shot. whoever controls the ball gets a rebound

And, yes, an airball is either a turnover or a pass, depending on which team gets the ball.

wrong again. an airball is a missed shot.

 

[ADifferentOkie]

an airball is definitely a shot, the same way it would be if it did nothing but hit backboard.

the steal question is a good one, though. Is it the player that knocks it loose or the player that corrals it?

Based on a lifetime of playing video games, I'm sure the steal goes to the player who comes up with the ball. At least, that's how my games always did it. I got pretty good at one game tipping inbounds passes away and my computer teammates would come up with the ball and get the credit for the steals.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

If Joe Bob blocks a shot and I come down with the ball, then I get the rebound.

If I knock the ball away from you and Joe Bob grabs the ball, I get the steal. It's not necessarily the person who corrals it, but the person causing the turnover.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

http://www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/basketball_stats_manual/2007/2007_basketball_stats_manual.pdf

 

[HandsomeHarley]

You guys are forgetting blocked shots. Rebounds plus blocked shots equal total field goal misses.

I don't think this is correct. I believe a blocked shot = a shot attempt AND a rebound.

If the player who blocked the shot grabs the ball, it is a block and a rebound. If he swats it to a teammate, it's a block for him and a rebound for the teammate. If he swats it into the upper deck, it's a block and offensive team rebound. If he causes a jump ball with a block, it's a block and rebound for the team with the arrow.

Here's my question:

If you have a lane violation on the team shooting a free throw, does it count as a FT attempt? I haven't been counting it as an attempt.

 

[MC Sports Guy]

You guys are forgetting blocked shots. Rebounds plus blocked shots equal total field goal misses.

If you have a lane violation on the team shooting a free throw, does it count as a FT attempt? I haven't been counting it as an attempt.

there is no credited FT attempt.

 

[trounced]

an airball is definitely a shot, the same way it would be if it did nothing but hit backboard.

the steal question is a good one, though. Is it the player that knocks it loose or the player that corrals it?

Would it be neither, and just simply a turnover for the team that lost possession? Not every turnover is a steal.

Not every turnover is a steal but in this instance it is a steal, and it's credited to the player that knocked the ball away, not the player who secures the ball.

Yes, an airball is a shot. If it goes out of bounds it's a defensive team rebound.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

an airball is definitely a shot, the same way it would be if it did nothing but hit backboard.

the steal question is a good one, though. Is it the player that knocks it loose or the player that corrals it?

Would it be neither, and just simply a turnover for the team that lost possession? Not every turnover is a steal.

Not every turnover is a steal but in this instance it is a steal, and it's credited to the player that knocked the ball away, not the player who secures the ball.

Yes, an airball is a shot. If it goes out of bounds it's a defensive team rebound.

If I read the NCAA manual correct, it would be a dead-ball rebound, not team rebound. Same as if someone took a shot right before the shotclock went off and the ball didn't hit the rim. Dead-ball rebound, not team rebound.

When team averages are released, team rebounds are included, but dead-ball rebounds are not. Thus it is important to make the distinction if the team had any affect on the rebound. If a airball goes out of bounds, the team did not.

Dead-ball rebounds aren't only for free throws, although that's where they're most commonly used.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

MC Sports Guy,

From the NCAA guide (page 24):

A.R. 6. Adams is shooting a free throw on a one-shot foul. Allen commits a lane violation and Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in.

RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover. Do not charge Adams with a FTA.