Basketball box score question

[swish]

I'm sure I should be banished from the profession for this, but I've never had to do a complete box score before.

As for the rebounds, there's a line at the bottom for "team" rebounds. What qualifies as a "team" rebound?

Thanks in advance and I can accept all abuse for such a question as I know it is warranted.

 

[Starman]

When a shot goes out of bounds without control being established by either team, and the ball is awarded by the officials to the opposite team, they get a team rebound.

 

[jay_christley]

As I believe somebody mentioned in an earlier thread, every shot either has a basket or a rebound.

 

[swish]

That makes sense. Thank you.

And I agree, Millen should be shipped out of town.

 

[shotglass]

It took me about 15 years before I understood the team rebound.

 

[Franklin]

what about if they miss the front end of a two-shot foul? i thought those were dead ball rebounds, but NBA boxes don't have dead ball rebounds any more.

 

[Jeff_Rake]

As I believe somebody mentioned in an earlier thread, every shot either has a basket or a rebound.

So when you clang it off the rim and it sails out of bounds, who do you reward the rebound to?

 

[Chi City 81]

As I believe somebody mentioned in an earlier thread, every shot either has a basket or a rebound.

So when you clang it off the rim and it sails out of bounds, who do you reward the rebound to?

It's a defensive team rebound.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

http://www.ncaa.org/library/statistical/basketball_stats_manual/2007/2007_basketball_stats_manual.pdf

Pages 15 and 16:

(b) A team rebound is credited to the team that is entitled to the ball for a throw-in if the ball has gone out of bounds after a missed goal but before there was player control. However, this does not include cases where the ball is out of bounds because it passes over the backboard or touches the supports or back of the backboard, the ceiling, or overhead equipment or supports, unless the ball was touched by a player after the missed goal but before the ball was out of bounds.

(c) A dead-ball rebound is credited whenever the ball is dead after a missed goal but before it meets the conditions for an individual or team rebound.
It is credited as follows:
(1) To the team that is entitled to the ball for a throw-in or a free throw.
(2) To the team that shot the ball if the ball becomes dead due to the expiration of time or if the ball was shot after the expiration of time.
(3) To the team into whose basket a defensive player tips a missed shot.
(4) To the team into whose basket an offensive player deflects a missed shot without intent.
(d) There is a distinction between team and dead-ball rebounds. There can be no team rebound unless the ball has gone out of bounds without a player first earning an individual rebound. If the ball becomes dead before it meets the requirement for either an individual or a team rebound, then a dead-ball rebound is credited (see Section 3, Article 1).

Why keep dead-ball rebounds? Because team rebounds reflect team rebounding ability, while dead-ball rebounds do not. In national rankings, individual and team rebounds are included, but dead-ball rebounds are not. Analysis of game statistics indicates that team and dead-ball rebounds account for about five percent of a team’s rebounds. Therefore, if dead-ball rebounds are counted as team rebounds, it could affect the national rankings.

 

[Oz]

what about if they miss the front end of a two-shot foul? i thought those were dead ball rebounds, but NBA boxes don't have dead ball rebounds any more.

No rebound awarded there.

 

[swish]

STOP THE MADNESS!

 

[SnoopyBoy]

Is a steal a turnover for the other team? Some SID once told me that a player jacking up a shot from midcourt at the buzzer doesn't count in the stats as a miss. I told him it did because it counts if it goes in.

 

[blondebomber]

Shots = field goals + rebounds. Steals for one team = turnovers for other team.

The desperation shot most definitely counts as a field goal attempt.

And a touchdown scored on a play during which the ball goes beyond the first down marker is a first down.

 

[blondebomber]

Oh, and a tip-in is a rebound, a FG and a FGA.

 

[crimsonace]

Steals for one team = turnovers for other team.

This would not be correct, as violations traveling, out-of-bounds and offensive fouls are not steals (but are definitely turnovers on the offense).

However, all turnovers that take place within the court -- e.g., intercepted passes, loose balls recovered by the defense, outright strips, jump balls that result in a change of possession -- are steals. Any violation, out-of-bounds or offensive foul is not a steal.

 

[Starman]

A turnover is a rule violation by an offensive player giving the ball to the other team.

A steal is a defensive player gaining posession of the ball while in possession of the offensive team.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

Is a steal a turnover for the other team? Some SID once told me that a player jacking up a shot from midcourt at the buzzer doesn't count in the stats as a miss. I told him it did because it counts if it goes in.

1) Steal is a turnover for the other team.
2) SID right, you wrong (according to the official NCAA manual). If it is out of normal shooting range (halfcourt qualifies) and it is seen as an act of desperation (last second would qualify), then it is NOT a shot attempt.

 

[Starman]

Is a steal a turnover for the other team? Some SID once told me that a player jacking up a shot from midcourt at the buzzer doesn't count in the stats as a miss. I told him it did because it counts if it goes in.

1) Steal is a turnover for the other team.
2) SID right, you wrong (according to the official NCAA manual). If it is out of normal shooting range (halfcourt qualifies) and it is seen as an act of desperation (last second would qualify), then it is NOT a shot attempt.

1) A steal is not a turnover. A turnover is a rules violation which results in the ball being awarded to the opponent.

2) Then I suppose if it's out of normal shooting range, or in an "act of desperation," we ought not to award points if it goes in, eh??

More complete idiocy requiring officials and/or scorekeepers to use ESP, to determine what a player intended to do, or believed he could do, rather than simply to record what he actually did do.

If you throw the ball toward the hoop in an attempt to make a basket, that's a field-goal attempt.

 

[occasionally]

Is a steal a turnover for the other team? Some SID once told me that a player jacking up a shot from midcourt at the buzzer doesn't count in the stats as a miss. I told him it did because it counts if it goes in.

Except in the NBA, desperation attempts ARE treated as FGA's.

1) Steal is a turnover for the other team.
2) SID right, you wrong (according to the official NCAA manual). If it is out of normal shooting range (halfcourt qualifies) and it is seen as an act of desperation (last second would qualify), then it is NOT a shot attempt.

 

[Central-KY-Kid]

Starman,

Wrong. Steals ARE TURNOVERS. No where in the NCAA stats guide does it appear that turnovers are only rules violation. See page 32. If I take the ball from you, my team is credited with a steal, yours with a turnover.

Per the NCAA statistics manual:

A.R. 1. Allen is holding or dribbling the ball when Brown takes the ball away.
RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover and credit Brown with a steal.

A.R. 2. Allen is dribbling the ball when Brown bats it away to Benton.
RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover and credit Brown with a steal.

A.R. 3. Allen is dribbling the ball when Brown bats the ball away off Allen, sending the ball out of bounds.
RULING: Charge Allen with a turnover and credit Brown with a steal.

In most (possibly all) instances, a turnover is given when your team has the ball and does not end up with a free throw or FG attempt.

Page 6 covers what is not a field-goal attempt.

c) A FGA is not charged if a shot is taken near the expiration of time for a period or for the shot clock, is not made, and it is the statistician’s opinion that the shot was a desperation shot and not a reasonable attempt to make a field goal. One or more of the following factors should exist in order to classify a shot as a desperation shot. The shooter:
(1) Is outside the normal shooting range. A shot from just beyond the three-point line would usually be considered in normal shooting range while a shot at or beyond the division line would be outside normal shooting range.
(2) Uses an abnormal shooting motion, such as an overhand baseball toss.
(3) Rushes or hurries the shot to beat the expiration of time. A shot could be considered rushed or hurried if the shooter tries to control and shoot the ball in the same motion with not enough time to get into a normal shooting position (squared up to the basket).


occasionally,

I would agree that the NBA counts everything as a field-goal attempt (desperation or intented). However, I don't think many NBA teams have SIDs. Therefore, we were talking about college basketball.