APSE VOTES NO TO CONTEST CHANGES (shocccckerrr!)

[spankys]

i felt like this deserved it's own thread here....this is complete horse****, and all 6 people who voted against the changes should immediately resign their positions in APSE.

in the newsletter it says that if all the editors present had a vote, it would have passed overhwelmingly. well, why not give all the editors a vote?

oh that's right, because the editors of the big papers are soooo scared of having some extra competition and don't give two ****s about the 205 under 40,000 papers.

i mean, there are SEVEN times as many entrants under 40 as over 250.....are you kidding me? big-paper editors, does it really make you feel good to know your section is better than 12 others? to put the little blurb in your paper the next day to tell your readers all about it?

the 6 of you should be ashamed. last year it was the same b.s ("this will be revisited next year") and it was revisited, this time in an even more fair way for the big papers, and it was shot down again.

pathetic.

 

[PHINJ]

Awards don't matter.

 

[Ace]

Awards don't matter.

They probably matter more to the little guys, though.

 

[forever_town]

We'd all do much better if we stopped giving a **** about awards that do nothing but stroke our own egos or get mentioned in a resume.

Doing our jobs should be reward enough.

 

[spankys]

and to the 180k papers who were too scared to jump into the pile with the 30 or so in 250k, give me a break.

i worked at a 15k circ with 2 fulltimers and 1 parttimer and they put a paper out every day, and most of the time it wasn't half bad. your 180k staff is more than big enough to compete if you want it to.

 

[spankys]

We'd all do much better if we stopped giving a **** about awards that do nothing but stroke our own egos or get mentioned in a resume.

Doing our jobs should be reward enough.

you're absolutely right. but this isn't so much about the awards as it as a blatant and offensive disregard for even the slightest bit of sense and fairness by the large paper editors and their elitist buddies.

 

[Left_Coast]

and to the 180k papers who were too scared to jump into the pile with the 30 or so in 250k, give me a break.

i worked at a 15k circ with 2 fulltimers and 1 parttimer and they put a paper out every day, and most of the time it wasn't half bad. your 180k staff is more than big enough to compete if you want it to.

Come on. Palm Beach needs to continue strutting its stuff after its eighth straight Triple Crown. What would it do without getting it every year?

 

[Bubbler]

We'll all be under 40,000 some day.

 

[spankys]

and to the 180k papers who were too scared to jump into the pile with the 30 or so in 250k, give me a break.

i worked at a 15k circ with 2 fulltimers and 1 parttimer and they put a paper out every day, and most of the time it wasn't half bad. your 180k staff is more than big enough to compete if you want it to.

Come on. Palm Beach needs to continue strutting its stuff after its eighth straight Triple Crown. What would it do without getting it every year?

exactly, how could i dare question such a thing. lol.

i appreciate garry howard admitting he was one of those who voted against it, i think it's only fair to know who the other 5 are, and I think they should either reply here or on the APSE board to offer their rationale.
we're all paying our dues here, and we deserve an explanation for the asinine logic.

and thanks to jerry micco for trying.

 

[Left_Coast]

Too bad Jenks lost his vote. He would have broken the tie.

 

[Frank_Ridgeway]

and to the 180k papers who were too scared to jump into the pile with the 30 or so in 250k, give me a break.

i worked at a 15k circ with 2 fulltimers and 1 parttimer and they put a paper out every day, and most of the time it wasn't half bad. your 180k staff is more than big enough to compete if you want it to.

Come on. Palm Beach needs to continue strutting its stuff after its eighth straight Triple Crown. What would it do without getting it every year?

They did step up in class one year before the streak began (as did St. Paul that year). My personal opinion is that they are better than most of the 250Ks -- it's a tremendous newspaper on so many levels.

My real *****, though, is with the Seattles, Detroit News, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, etc. Come on. For years they competed against the big papers. And with Detroit, we are talking about a paper that once had a daily circulation of 600K and a Sunday of 800K. Is it really necessary for them to compete against papers that don't even have major pro sports?

Should note that Orlando could move down if it wanted to and didn't. Philly Daily News is about half of 250K and always competes in the top class. Everyone has the option to compete at the higher level.

 

[spankys]

the bottom line is all the major metros editors probably **** bricks when KC was the only triple crown winner, and realized that if 30 more papers joined their class next year there's a decent chance they'd---gasp---get shut out!!!!

 

[FreddiePatek]

I understand the reason for this thread, but it's severely redundant to the other. We've already discussed this stuff there.

 

[forever_town]

you're absolutely right. but this isn't so much about the awards as it as a blatant and offensive disregard for even the slightest bit of sense and fairness by the large paper editors and their elitist buddies.

I know your diatribe isn't about awards. I didn't say it was.

My diatribe is about the unhealthy obsession some people in this business have for awards. My publisher and CEO crow about awards as if that should be the primary motivating factor in doing our jobs. Personally, it'd be nice to win one or two, if only to have something tangible to point to about my tenure at the paper.

But running stories that make a difference in the lives of my readers is more rewarding to me. Knowing I'm putting out the best paper I can in spite of getting criminally fewer resources than the 5K weekly in our group gets is rewarding enough. Looking at where the paper was before I got there and seeing where it is now is rewarding enough.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

To paraphrase former Olympic weightlifter and pro wrestler Ken Patera: Awards look great, but they make for a lousy meal.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Which is why Patera threw a rock through the McDonald's window when they wouldn't let him in.

And how are things on the isle of Malta, Baron?

 

[Appgrad05]

We'll all be under 40,000 some day.

This made me laugh and cry at the same time.

 

[Riddick]

I can only wonder how APSE would respond if a bunch of those under-40 papers suddenly sent e-mails letting them know membership will not be renewed until the contest changes. I bet changes would occur quickly since the under-40 group makes up almost half the membership.

 

[slappy4428]

We'll all be under 40,000 some day.

This made me laugh and cry at the same time.

Because of what Bubbler said or that it came from Bubbler?

 

[spaceman]

what was the proposal that got voted down?