An interesting read

[henryhenry]

if you have permission who is harmed?

speeding through a crowded crosswalk is different than speeding on an empty stretch of road.

the 'p' word turns otherwise normal compassionate people into bloodthirsty snarling wolves. not all plagiarism is equal - despite what the ideologues say.

it's like this, henri.

we are in class taking a test. you haven't studied so you copy off mine. i move my elbow so you can see my answers better.

who is harmed?

does that mean it's not cheating?

false analogy.
on a bell curve, the other students are harmed.

better analogy:
a doctor performs the first heart transplant.
he gives his notes and procedure to the doctor performing the second one.
second doctor copies the first - saves a life.
journalists watching the operation scream " plagiarism."

 

[Ace]

if you have permission who is harmed?

speeding through a crowded crosswalk is different than speeding on an empty stretch of road.

the 'p' word turns otherwise normal compassionate people into bloodthirsty snarling wolves. not all plagiarism is equal - despite what the ideologues say.

it's like this, henri.

we are in class taking a test. you haven't studied so you copy off mine. i move my elbow so you can see my answers better.

who is harmed?

does that mean it's not cheating?

false analogy.
on a bell curve, the other students are harmed.

better analogy:
a doctor performs the first heart transplant.
he gives his notes and procedure to the doctor performing the second one.
second doctor copies the first - saves a life.
journalists watching the operation scream " plagiarism."

OK, Henry, if you want to play it that way.

If the second surgeon says he is the first to perform a heart transplant, your example works pretty well.

So that's OK with you that he takes credit for the work of the first doctor if the first doctor doesn't really care?

 

[SCEditor]

false analogy.
on a bell curve, the other students are harmed.

better analogy:
a doctor performs the first heart transplant.
he gives his notes and procedure to the doctor performing the second one.
second doctor copies the first - saves a life.
journalists watching the operation scream " plagiarism."

I hope you're not in this business. And if you are, you shouldn't be.

 

[Ace]

So now the people who read the LA Times know that the NY Post's supposed NBA insider has little or no credibility. Yup, people in LA really care about that.

And most of the people in NY already know Peter Vecsey has little or no credibility.

I think people in LA might be interested to know that a rabid Lakers fan and Kobe hater with a blog could get his thoughts published nearly verbatim by Vecsey.

 

[henryhenry]

false analogy.
on a bell curve, the other students are harmed.

better analogy:
a doctor performs the first heart transplant.
he gives his notes and procedure to the doctor performing the second one.
second doctor copies the first - saves a life.
journalists watching the operation scream " plagiarism."

I hope you're not in this business. And if you are, you shouldn't be.

judge and jury.
is 'self-righteous' your middle name?

 

[Ace]

false analogy.
on a bell curve, the other students are harmed.

better analogy:
a doctor performs the first heart transplant.
he gives his notes and procedure to the doctor performing the second one.
second doctor copies the first - saves a life.
journalists watching the operation scream " plagiarism."

I hope you're not in this business. And if you are, you shouldn't be.

judge and jury.
is 'self-righteous' your middle name?

Is Peter Vescey your middle name?

 

[henryhenry]

if you have permission who is harmed?

speeding through a crowded crosswalk is different than speeding on an empty stretch of road.

the 'p' word turns otherwise normal compassionate people into bloodthirsty snarling wolves. not all plagiarism is equal - despite what the ideologues say.

it's like this, henri.

we are in class taking a test. you haven't studied so you copy off mine. i move my elbow so you can see my answers better.

who is harmed?

does that mean it's not cheating?

false analogy.
on a bell curve, the other students are harmed.

better analogy:
a doctor performs the first heart transplant.
he gives his notes and procedure to the doctor performing the second one.
second doctor copies the first - saves a life.
journalists watching the operation scream " plagiarism."

OK, Henry, if you want to play it that way.

If the second surgeon says he is the first to perform a heart transplant, your example works pretty well.

So that's OK with you that he takes credit for the work of the first doctor if the first doctor doesn't really care?

vescey did not say he was the first to write it.

he didn't make that claim.

 

[henryhenry]

if this blogger elliott had talked to vecsey - voiced his opinion on kobe in conversation - rather than writing it in a blog

and vescey had written a column expressing an opinion that had been shaped by his conversation with elliott, would that be plagiarism?

didn't vecsey 'steal' elliott's thoughts?

who owns thoughts and words?

only the Plagiarism Police know the answer.

 

[Ace]

Keep twisting, henri. I'm sure you'll find a pretzel you're comfortable gagging down eventually.

 

[henryhenry]

profound ace.

you might as well have said "uncle".

 

[Ace]

What if you had talked to me and voiced your opinion on kobe in conversation - rather than writing it on SportsJournalists.com

and i had written a column expressing an opinion that had been shaped by my conversation with you, would that be plagiarism?

didn't i 'steal' your thoughts?

who owns thoughts and words?

only the Plagiarism Police know the answer.

 

[SCEditor]

I don't have any problem with Vescey talking to somebody and forming an opinion based on that discussion. I do have a problem with Vescey, receiving an e-mail or viewing a blog, copying almost word for word what it says and then passing it off as his original thought. There's a big difference between having your opinion shaped by somebody and cutting and pasting it into your column.

No, my middle name isn't self-righteous. Is your middle name Plagiarism Apologist?

 

[henryhenry]

I don't have any problem with Vescey talking to somebody and forming an opinion based on that discussion. I do have a problem with Vescey, receiving an e-mail or viewing a blog, copying almost word for word what it says and then passing it off as his original thought. There's a big difference between having your opinion shaped by somebody and cutting and pasting it into your column.

No, my middle name isn't self-righteous. Is your middle name Plagiarism Apologist?

"big difference" - not really.
he had the guy's permission.
he accepted elliott's point of view and relayed it.
how do we know elliott owned it? there are millions of lakers fans with opinions on kobe - how many thousands shared the same opinion. who owns that opinion? elliott? vescey?

nobody owns it.

you are a Plagiarism Absolutist.
you're like the Vatican in the time of Martin Luther - screaming 'heresy'.

it's just not as cut-and-dried as you make it out.

 

[SCEditor]

I don't have any problem with Vescey talking to somebody and forming an opinion based on that discussion. I do have a problem with Vescey, receiving an e-mail or viewing a blog, copying almost word for word what it says and then passing it off as his original thought. There's a big difference between having your opinion shaped by somebody and cutting and pasting it into your column.

No, my middle name isn't self-righteous. Is your middle name Plagiarism Apologist?

"big difference" - not really.
he had the guy's permission.
he accepted elliott's point of view and relayed it.
how do we know elliott owned it? there are millions of lakers fans with opinions on kobe - how many thousands shared the same opinion. who owns that opinion? elliott? vescey?

nobody owns it.

you are a Plagiarism Absolutist.
you're like the Vatican in the time of Martin Luther - screaming 'heresy'.

it's just not as cut-and-dried as you make it out.

Like I said before, I have no problem with accepting the guy's opinion and relaying it. I do have a problem with it being worded so similar in his column. That's where my objection stands.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Ace]

SCeditor,

you are a Plagiarism Absolutist.

you're like the Vatican in the time of Martin Luther - screaming 'heresy'.

it's just not as cut-and-dried as you make it out.

 

[fishwrapper]

You can not, should not take another man's work and use it verbatim or near verbatim without attribution. There are parts of that Peter Vecsey column where he writes around the fact he received information for this blogger.

I don't know why this profession has such a huge ****ing problem with this concept. DO YOUR OWN WORK. How can we expect to have the public's trust when we can't trust ourselves?

 

[SCEditor]

SCeditor,

you are a Plagiarism Absolutist.

you're like the Vatican in the time of Martin Luther - screaming 'heresy'.

it's just not as cut-and-dried as you make it out.

I hope henry gave you permission to write that. If he did, everything's OK.

 

[Ace]

SCeditor,

you are a Plagiarism Absolutist.

you're like the Vatican in the time of Martin Luther - screaming 'heresy'.

it's just not as cut-and-dried as you make it out.

I hope henry gave you permission to write that. If he did, everything's OK.

vescey henry did not say he was the first to write it.

he didn't make that claim.

 

[henryhenry]

imitation is flattery.

 

[Double Down]

Editor's note: The following post contains my own personal thoughts, though I am not the first (or last) person to write or think them.

Vescey blows goats.

Also, once again, the real Henry Hecht is going to be furious if he ever finds out that "henryhecht" has plagiarized his name and is now using it on a message board to defend lazy plagiarism.

But to review, let us not forget, Vescey blows goats.

Editor's note: This concludes my post, and the things that (for now) I am claiming that I am the first person to write, though certainly not think.