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I had the same thought, but some people refuse even then. The excuse is that they are old and don't have much time left, so why not enjoy what they have left?

My father finally quit when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. He never accepted the terminal part. Literally up to the point of his final words, he refused to admit he was dying.

Sorry if that goes in multiple directions. I keep trying to post on this thread and failing. My mother died last year, but my first birthday without her just passed. I always wished her a happy giving-birth day. It was something I started as a kid. I even started making cards to send her a few years ago. I've mentioned this on the board before, but my thinking was the mother did the work that day, so we should be celebrating her, not the baby that was born.

My father was the emotional one. Mom was tough. I didn't even see her cry when her parents died. I know she did, but she didn't let us see it. My mantra through the grieving process has been to remind myself to be more like her and less like dad, who was very emotional.

Most of the time, I manage it. Not so much on my birthday.

The other day I told my daughter some silly thing my mother did when I was a kid. If we were walking and something came between us, she would say, "Bread and butter." I was supposed to reply with "Butter and bread." She explained it was just a reminder not to let things keep us apart.

My daughter told me that I should tell her more things like that. She liked hearing me talk about things her grandmother did. Gotta love when kids say stuff like that.

My mother had this down-the-street neighbor/client (my mother was a CPA) whose husband had terrible emphysema, with the oxygen tanks, etc. And he wouldn't quit smoking. One day, he actually blew himself up (not fatally) by smoking WITH THE OXYGEN FLOWING. Terrible burns, etc. And you know what he did when he got home from the hospital? Yep ... right back at it.

And I'm sorry about all you're going through with regards to your mother. You know this, I'm sure, but it gets better. Not completely, of course, but it does get better.
 
My grandma -- mom's mom -- was diagnosed with dementia two years ago. It hasn't gotten worse in that time, which I find a bit strange, but she has her moments where she'll forget who she's talking to and call me by my uncle's name. When she was in the hospital two years ago, I walked into her room and she started talking about something my uncle did some 30 or 40 years ago, and asked where I had been.

Five minutes later, she was as lucid as could be. I'm worried for what comes ahead with this. She's my last grandparent -- my dad's parents passed away before I was born, and my mom's dad died in 1998 when I was 13.
 
My mother had this down-the-street neighbor/client (my mother was a CPA) whose husband had terrible emphysema, with the oxygen tanks, etc. And he wouldn't quit smoking. One day, he actually blew himself up (not fatally) by smoking WITH THE OXYGEN FLOWING. Terrible burns, etc. And you know what he did when he got home from the hospital? Yep ... right back at it.

And I'm sorry about all you're going through with regards to your mother. You know this, I'm sure, but it gets better. Not completely, of course, but it does get better.

A secretary of mine got tongue cancer and had some of it sliced off because of it (smoker). I bet not more than 6 mos after all the radiation/chemo, yep lighting up again. Still cannot fathom it. Of course, I'm fortunate I've never been a smoker.
 
My dad smoked up until he was admitted to the hospital for what turned out to be the final time.

The more time passes, the more I believe he saw the writing on the wall at least a year before he passed, and knowing it was inevitable, just didn't bother with trying once he got sick.

I quit more than 4 years ago, but I smoked for 20 years. Hopefully there's enough time to reverse and regenerate everything.
 
My mother had this down-the-street neighbor/client (my mother was a CPA) whose husband had terrible emphysema, with the oxygen tanks, etc. And he wouldn't quit smoking. One day, he actually blew himself up (not fatally) by smoking WITH THE OXYGEN FLOWING. Terrible burns, etc. And you know what he did when he got home from the hospital? Yep ... right back at it.

And I'm sorry about all you're going through with regards to your mother. You know this, I'm sure, but it gets better. Not completely, of course, but it does get better.

Thanks dq. I do know it gets better, simply from dealing with the loss of my father 17 years ago. This is more difficult because I was much closer with her, but the process is similar. That birthday was just emotional, even moreso because my brothers were visiting, but not all in a bad way.
 
My uncle with Alzheimer's is particularly bitter for my cousins, because his mom (my grandmother) is the one who lived to 99 and was perfectly sharp to the last day. He's actually in good physical shape for his mid-80s -- he rode a street bike until a couple years ago.

My dad eventually died of cancer which spread to his brain (among other locations), but he was still mostly aware up to the end. Dealing with extended dementia just has to be an incredible burden.
 
I know most of you can't stand his politics, but George F. Will on dementia ...

"Families seared by a loved one's dementia face the challenge of forgetting. They must choose to achieve what dementia inflicts on its victims -- short-term memory loss. They must restore to the foreground of remembrance the older memories of vivacity and wit."
 
I know most of you can't stand his politics, but George F. Will on dementia ...

"Families seared by a loved one's dementia face the challenge of forgetting. They must choose to achieve what dementia inflicts on its victims -- short-term memory loss. They must restore to the foreground of remembrance the older memories of vivacity and wit."
This is why Will is still the most boring columnist in America. There are better ways to paint the picture. Paint, George!
 
I know most of you can't stand his politics, but George F. Will on dementia ...

"Families seared by a loved one's dementia face the challenge of forgetting. They must choose to achieve what dementia inflicts on its victims -- short-term memory loss. They must restore to the foreground of remembrance the older memories of vivacity and wit."

Well said.
 
My dad posted on Facebook that I should get a hobby instead of trying to make jokes on there.

So I called him and told him he was right and that I signed up to do stand-up comedy.

He cracked up at that. So I got one laugh in my back pocket before I make my debut next week.
 
You may have already experienced this, but some day your kids will provoke out of you a reaction in which you're all but a clone of your father. It's happened to me more times than I'd care to admit. It's a weird feeling, realizing just how much like him I am (or at least can be).

I make a strong effort to do the opposite of what he did. I can have conversations with my Dad where there is a guy in there who is pretty cool and a person with a good heart that is fun to be around. He recognizes this but can't get past petty **** that keeps him miserable.

Everything is somebody else's fault. The economy screwed him, the neighbors screwed him, former friends screwed him. Too many memories of him being in a bad mood over something so the rest of us would have t be on pins and needles.

He and my mom split when I was around 3. My mom died a few years later and my dad remarried. He treated my stepmother like ****, told her she was stupid, constantly critical, can't count the number of times I told her that if she was that miserable she should leave. Years later when talking to my Mom's sister she told me that my Dad never made my Mom feel good, one of the reasons she left.

We've got a 15 hour drive between us and he hasn't seen his 5 year old grandson in 4 and a half years. Tells us we should send our 9 year old daughter out to spend part of the summer with them but she doesn't know them at all either.

****ty to say but when they pass I hope it is close together so I don't have to go back and sort their estate stuff out more than once.
 
Today I've had two opportunities to not be just like my father ... I've batted 0.500.

MommaQuant and I flew back in from a mini-vacation today, my son's 20th, with him scheduled to take a noonish bus back to Deploraville for a birthday/DaughterQuant concert/Mother's Day weekend. Unfortunately, he didn't pay close attention to the bus reservation I made him and didn't notice the station location had changed. So, he missed his bus (he'll catch one later, but he'll miss the concert).

Here's how I wasn't just like my father: I didn't raise hell at him and go on and on and on at him about he's always doing stuff like this.

Here's how I was just like my father: I was driving as he and MommaQuant talked and talked about what-if-this and what-if-that, and I realized he hadn't even spoken to anyone at the bus company! "GODDAMMIT, QUIT ****ING GUESSING AND TELL HIM TO GO TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT KNOW SOMETHING!" So MommaQuant's pissed at me.

Hey ... I gotta be him ... I mean me.
 
My mother had this down-the-street neighbor/client (my mother was a CPA) whose husband had terrible emphysema, with the oxygen tanks, etc. And he wouldn't quit smoking. One day, he actually blew himself up (not fatally) by smoking WITH THE OXYGEN FLOWING. Terrible burns, etc. And you know what he did when he got home from the hospital? Yep ... right back at it.

And I'm sorry about all you're going through with regards to your mother. You know this, I'm sure, but it gets better. Not completely, of course, but it does get better.

I'm going to hell.
My first thought when I read the line "blew himself up by smoking" was this...
 
When I was maybe nine years old, my friends and I waded into a nearby farmer's field and knocked down some corn to make a fort. The farmer found the fort and drove around our subdivision, door-to-door, trying to find out who did it. I cracked. None of my friends did. At the time (1982 or so), I made $2 a week for my allowance. My dad told me for ten weeks I had to get on my bike and take my allowance to the farmer. $20. That was a fortune to me.

Maybe two or three weeks into my ritual, the farmer's German shepherd bit me on the leg and took me off my bike. I figured the farmer or my dad would forgive my debt. Neither did. Instead I had to save my allowance for the six or seven weeks left in my sentence, and then my dad drove me to the farm to watch me hand over my little bundle of money to the farmer.

I thought it was the most unfair thing at the time, and writing it out, it almost seems cruel. But I think more than just about any childhood experience, that made me who I am: extremely wary of farmers.
 
When I was maybe nine years old, my friends and I waded into a nearby farmer's field and knocked down some corn to make a fort. The farmer found the fort and drove around our subdivision, door-to-door, trying to find out who did it. I cracked. None of my friends did. At the time (1982 or so), I made $2 a week for my allowance. My dad told me for ten weeks I had to get on my bike and take my allowance to the farmer. $20. That was a fortune to me.

Maybe two or three weeks into my ritual, the farmer's German shepherd bit me on the leg and took me off my bike. I figured the farmer or my dad would forgive my debt. Neither did. Instead I had to save my allowance for the six or seven weeks left in my sentence, and then my dad drove me to the farm to watch me hand over my little bundle of money to the farmer.

I thought it was the most unfair thing at the time, and writing it out, it almost seems cruel. But I think more than just about any childhood experience, that made me who I am: extremely wary of farmers.

$2 a week allowance? You should've been a paperboy.
 
This is an excellent thread. I regret not finding it sooner, as my various ups and downs are quite mundane in comparison.

I am a band geek born to band geeks. My folks met during the summer of 1976 in a group called the United States Collegiate Wind Band. There were two members from each state. Dad was a tuba player from Upper Michigan and Mom a trumpet player from Maine. They toured all the pretty parts of Europe (ironically, on the trip, much of the group got food poisoning from a dish that, save for a slight spelling change, is also my last name), stayed in touch, and eventually Mom came to Michigan, they got married (in Maine with an accidental flyover from the Blue Angels, performing at the local Naval Air Station) and here I am.

They came from different parts of the country and their backgrounds were pretty divergent as well. Dad's side of the family is close-knit (five kids and spouses, no marital strife or substance issues whatsoever) and tremendously musical. There were enough of us, mostly brass, that five or six relatives (from three generations) march with the local city band on the 4th of July. Several more would bring instruments for an impromptu patriotic concert on the boathouse at the lake later in the day. At one point, three of the five kids were music teachers (and a fourth was an art teacher). Dad has a 'Dad bod,' makes 'Dad jokes,' coached my Little League teams, deaned church camp every year. It's almost too good. I often fear that I'll never reach my potential in this business because I don't have the 'asshole gene' necessary to be really good, and Dad is why, because he doesn't have it either. He went into school administration, but was turned down repeatedly by the school district we lived in because he was perceived to be too "nice." So nice, in fact, that the district he worked for 15 years ran him out on a rail for no good reason. That said, he found a job running senior citizen programs in town (commute down from 30 miles to half a block) and is finding his second wind. 59th birthday was this week.

Mom had it different. Her dad was severely epileptic and died before she hit her teens, which led to her mom having a nervous breakdown and a brief stint in foster care. Regardless, she and her two siblings were raised on welfare, the main impact of that on me being that she's relentlessly cheap (though also quite thrifty). One of them served in the Air Force and got a degree from Columbia, the other has mostly scratched out a living in the lower middle class. Nana has spent a large part of her life trying to "fix" the people around her, which has led to Mom spending a large amount of time (roughly 15 years now), trying to "fix" me, whether it was relentless concern-trolling about my weight, my cleaning abilities or my propensity to bite my nails. It has reached the shouting match level at times. And yet, physically, we're very similar. Same blood type, same poor eyesight, and same tendency toward mood swings.

It's not perfect, but it's not bad.
 
My mum is sitting beside me on the couch, doing her crossword. I am reminded of when I had my first published story, and I showed it to her, super proud, and she took out her red pen and circled three grammatical errors. Sometimes, the older you get, you realize that all the times you thought you were making choices, you really had no choice at all.
 
My mom started a scrapbook with the first stories I had published at age 13, each one with the 49 cents or whatever I made for it.

Wish I still had that.

And I wish I'd gotten into the habit of calling my Dad, the old Air Force liutenant colonel, "Sir" when I had the chance. He would have appreciated that.
 
When I was maybe nine years old, my friends and I waded into a nearby farmer's field and knocked down some corn to make a fort. The farmer found the fort and drove around our subdivision, door-to-door, trying to find out who did it. I cracked. None of my friends did. At the time (1982 or so), I made $2 a week for my allowance. My dad told me for ten weeks I had to get on my bike and take my allowance to the farmer. $20. That was a fortune to me.

Maybe two or three weeks into my ritual, the farmer's German shepherd bit me on the leg and took me off my bike. I figured the farmer or my dad would forgive my debt. Neither did. Instead I had to save my allowance for the six or seven weeks left in my sentence, and then my dad drove me to the farm to watch me hand over my little bundle of money to the farmer.

I thought it was the most unfair thing at the time, and writing it out, it almost seems cruel. But I think more than just about any childhood experience, that made me who I am: extremely wary of farmers.

Twenty five years later this story would have featured multiple lawsuits.
 
My mum is sitting beside me on the couch, doing her crossword. I am reminded of when I had my first published story, and I showed it to her, super proud, and she took out her red pen and circled three grammatical errors. Sometimes, the older you get, you realize that all the times you thought you were making choices, you really had no choice at all.

My 84-year-old mom still does crossword puzzles daily.
 

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