Abortion absolutism

[Dick Whitman]

Good article at Slate, by William Saletan, about how impossible it is to draw lines in regards to when a fetus should be abortable and when it should not, i.e. when does personhood begin? (I've always thought viability is a reasonable one, but he makes the argument that even that isn't a satisfying line). He maps out the gestational milestones, and argues that there is no, "eureka!" moment where a person exists. It's a process.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2011/12/late_term_abortion_and_fetal_development_my_debate_with_ann_furedi_.html

I pretty much agree with Saletan, and I'm anti-abortion. I understand the argument that miscarriages end a life, as well, and many pregnancies end in miscarriage. But I think there is a principled difference between an accident of nature and a free will choice.

But the side of the line that I personally fall on is less interesting than the discussion about whether there are principled lines you can draw at all when it comes to abortion. It's an area where I've always felt that compromises - such as conservatives who advocate for allowing abortion in cases of rape or incest - don't have much of a place.

Let's try to keep it civil, peeps. It's an interesting topic.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

The vast majority of abortions are done in the first trimester, with a smaller percentage in the second, and very few in the third.

I didn't see anything in the story or the study (which I'll admit, I scanned through because it's so long) about the reasons for third-trimester abortions, but I'm assuming most of them were done because either the life or health or both of the mother was at risk.

 

[TheSportsPredictor]

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

 

[Bob Cook]

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

But what should happen when personhood is incorporated by rape or incest?

 

[Azrael]

Life begins at "Haven't I seen you in here before?"

 

[Mizzougrad96]

You're anti-abortion? Wow... never would have guessed that in a million years...

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

But what should happen when personhood is incorporated by rape or incest?

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

I always thought that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made a cute couple.

 

[Starman]

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

But what should happen when personhood is incorporated by rape or incest?

If the rapist remembers to file incorporation papers, everything is golden.

 

[JR]

What's this, thread 1,055 on this subject? And is "personhood" a real word?

 

[heyabbott]

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

But what should happen when personhood is incorporated by rape or incest?

Are they any less a profit making venture whether they are voluntarily or involuntarily incorporated?

Is Bankruptcy murder or suicide?

 

[YankeeFan]

Personhood beings when a business incorporates. Some advocate that moment is when those incorporating sign the papers. Others advocate it is when the paperwork is filed. I advocate it is when the paperwork is approved by whatever authority approves such paperwork.

But what should happen when personhood is incorporated by rape or incest?

Easy. Just force the woman to marry the rapist and bear child. [/allmoralsystemsareequal]

 

[Bubbler]

What's this, thread 1,055 on this subject? And is "personhood" a real word?

(God how I love Childrens Hospital, the best TV comedy going by miles right now)

As for the topic at hand, I've never understood the argument against life beginning at conception. The vast, vast majority of the time, what is conceived will become a life, that's an indisputable fact.

 

[dooley_womack1]

This debate is lacking the presence of cadet and sportschick

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

 

[dooley_womack1]

I don't get it

 

[Oggiedoggie]

It's a Festus, not a chioce.

 

[Big Circus]

What's this, thread 1,055 on this subject? And is "personhood" a real word?

(God how I love Childrens Hospital, the best TV comedy going by miles right now)

As for the topic at hand, I've never understood the argument against life beginning at conception. The vast, vast majority of the time, what is conceived will become a life, that's an indisputable fact.

Is that Marlon Wayans?

 

[Starman]

It's a Festus, not a chioce.

Too early for a Festusvus Miracle.

 

[TigerVols]

WHEW!

I cringed clicking on this thread.

I thought for sure my favorite vodka ad campaign had finally gone too far.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

WHEW!

I cringed clicking on this thread.

I thought for sure my favorite vodka ad campaign had finally gone too far.

Not for nothing but if you GIS Absolute Abortion - this is one of the first pictures