TheSportsPredictor
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Boo! Not the full return of baseball because the Pirates and Guardians have been forest-fired out.
I guess they can do that since it's not on ESPN.Boo! Not the full return of baseball because the Pirates and Guardians have been forest-fired out.
Prospect nerds are the ultimate forest for the trees types.Amen. So tired of hearing about prospects. I believe it was Jim Leyland who said a prospect means you ain't done **** yet. The problem is Theo Epstein & the Red Sox nailed a few drafts right after the Moneyball revolution (drafted Jonathan Papelbon, Dustin Pedroia, Jacoby Ellsbury, Clay Buchholz, Jed Lowrie, Josh Reddick & Anthony Rizzo from 2003 through 2007) so everyone thought hanging on to prospects was the way to go. Believing they were always right prospects was yet another thing to fuel the egos of GMs. Add into the equation the prospect dorks all over the Internet believing GMs were always right about prospects and there you go. An entire generation of GM dorks are holding on to prospects because one might end up good.
Three years later, the Red Sox traded Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen. A bad trade, given the Red Sox's ceiling was serving as cannon fodder for the Athletics, but to be fair, they couldn't have known Bagwell's career would be JUICED by the move to Houston. Six homers in 205 minor league games and 15 in his rookie season at the launching pad known as the Astrodome.The Smoltz-Alexander deal was a great deal for the Tigers. Alexander went 9-0 and the Tigers won the division (and probably should have won the WS).
Smoltz at the moment was a decent but not great Class A prospect.
Given the Tigers' record at developing pitching at that time, he was probably 50-50 to make the majors at all. Nobody had any reason to believe or expect he would become a Hall of Famer, but even if he had, the Tigers were never good enough during his career that even adding HOF Level John Smoltz to their pitching staff would have gotten them into the playoffs. I think during the time span of Smoltz' career the tigers only finished within 15 games of the playoffs once or twice.
IIRC correctly, wasn’t Bagwell pretty deep on the organization’s 3B depth chart behind players like Boggs and Tim Naehring?Three years later, the Red Sox traded Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen. A bad trade, given the Red Sox's ceiling was serving as cannon fodder for the Athletics, but to be fair, they couldn't have known Bagwell's career would be JUICED by the move to Houston. Six homers in 205 minor league games and 15 in his rookie season at the launching pad known as the Astrodome.
Let's not forget Scott Cooper!!! Bagwell was a top-50 prospect, per his Baseball-Reference page, and they could have moved him to 1B, though Mo Vaughn was moving up the ranks there too. Just realized Bagwell and Vaughn were selected in the same draft. They accumulated 777 homers, 107.0 career WAR and two MVPs...and the other four guys amongst the Red Sox's top six picks that year combined for 0.4 big league WAR. Vaughn wasn't their first first-round pick and Bagwell wasn't selected until the fourth round. Such a random crapshoot. Trade the kids.IIRC correctly, wasn’t Bagwell pretty deep on the organization’s 3B depth chart behind players like Boggs and Tim Naehring?
ID(efinitely)KAngels closer Kirby Yates .....
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Oh, never mind. IYKYK.
The Red Sox were in a pennant race and manager Joe Morgan was using the media (me) to say they needed bullpen help to win it. The Sox knew Bagwell was a prospect, but the deals you make to win right now shouldn't be evaluated by long-term results, only short-term.IIRC correctly, wasn’t Bagwell pretty deep on the organization’s 3B depth chart behind players like Boggs and Tim Naehring?