17 y/o leaving HS to go pro in Europe

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novelist_wannabe said:
If it's for ****'s sake, I don't think he'll need the high school education, except per haps the part about putting the glove on the banana

Gotta learn somehow, I suppose.

Seriously, though. If you're this good, you can wait one more year until you finish high school. Yeah, yeah, he's getting his GED or whatever, but still....What the hell is wrong with people?
 
RickStain said:
old_tony said:
crusoes said:
Better he goes pro than pretend to go to school for a year.
I don't agree. A year of college is still a year of college. To remain eligible he has to pass his classes. When has a year of college ever hurt someone?

When they blow out their knee and realize they would have made more money from a year in Europe than an entire career with a sports education degree.

Rick:

If the young man were to blow out his knee while an NCAA athlete, he would have had the opportunity to take out insurance against a career-ending injury that would pay him far more than the pittance that he'll get in Spain to fight Sonny Vaccaro's personal battles.
Your declaration that no kid who is good enough to play professional should play in college shows why I would not want you as my agent.
Because of his one year at Memphis, Derrick Rose made millions more than he would have if he'd been allowed to enter the draft directly out of high school. The promotional value of NCAA basketball is drastically underrated by those who don't truly understand the economics of the sport.
 
buckweaver said:
93devil weeps.

Meh. The good old days of guys playing for three or four years and knocking heads in the Big East on ESPN are long gone.

It will probably work for this kid and for Jennings if they are as good as advertised.

What scares me is the 98 other kids who think that making $50,000 in Prague is better than having a high school degree (and no, GED does not look the same when applying for a job once basketball is over) and at least trying to go to college with the support of an athletic department.

Sure, if they fizzle out overseas they can always go to college when they get back, but will these kids have the support (that many of them need) of an athletic department? ****, will they even be accepted academically on their own?

If my little girl grows up to be a great soccer player, and she has the choice to make $100,000 in Poland or finish high school and goto college to play soccer, this is a very easy choice to make. It's college.
 
JackReacher said:
novelist_wannabe said:
If it's for ****'s sake, I don't think he'll need the high school education, except per haps the part about putting the glove on the banana

Gotta learn somehow, I suppose.

Seriously, though. If you're this good, you can wait one more year until you finish high school. Yeah, yeah, he's getting his GED or whatever, but still....What the hell is wrong with people?

Lionel Messi, Theo Walcott, Wayne Rooney and many, many others don't know what you're getting so het up about.

Funnily enough, neither does Ricky Rubio.
 
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GB-Hack said:
JackReacher said:
novelist_wannabe said:
If it's for ****'s sake, I don't think he'll need the high school education, except per haps the part about putting the glove on the banana

Gotta learn somehow, I suppose.

Seriously, though. If you're this good, you can wait one more year until you finish high school. Yeah, yeah, he's getting his GED or whatever, but still....What the hell is wrong with people?

Lionel Messi, Theo Walcott, Wayne Rooney and many, many others don't know what you're getting so het up about.

Funnily enough, neither does Ricky Rubio.

But your system is completly different. Maybe it's better? Who knows?
 
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GB-Hack said:
JackReacher said:
novelist_wannabe said:
If it's for ****'s sake, I don't think he'll need the high school education, except per haps the part about putting the glove on the banana

Gotta learn somehow, I suppose.

Seriously, though. If you're this good, you can wait one more year until you finish high school. Yeah, yeah, he's getting his GED or whatever, but still....What the hell is wrong with people?

Lionel Messi, Theo Walcott, Wayne Rooney and many, many others don't know what you're getting so het up about.

Funnily enough, neither does Ricky Rubio.

I've heard of Ricky Rubio. Who the hell are the others?
 
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Whether it's better or not is not the point.

The kid is going to get his high school diploma, has already stated his intention to do that. He's going to be making six figures for at minimum a 2-year deal in, most likely, Spain, the same league that made Rubio the apparent No.2 prospect for this year's draft.

If this works for him, and I don't see why it won't, he'll return likely a more professional player than his counterparts who had to maintain some kind of pretense of going to class, and understand the ins and outs of playing in a professional league. He'll also have the kind of money to where he'll be able to pay for college himself, especially if he is a top-5 pick in 2012.

Everyone's got to make the right choice for themselves. I guess it's a cultural thing, but where I grew up, colleges were institutions of learning, not promotional tools for professional sports leagues.

And the others, Ryan, are some of the best professional soccer players in the world, all of whom not only started playing for not only their clubs, but in some instances their countries, before they turned 18.
 
GB-Hack said:
Whether it's better or not is not the point.

The kid is going to get his high school diploma, has already stated his intention to do that. He's going to be making six figures for at minimum a 2-year deal in, most likely, Spain, the same league that made Rubio the apparent No.2 prospect for this year's draft.

If this works for him, and I don't see why it won't, he'll return likely a more professional player than his counterparts who had to maintain some kind of pretense of going to class, and understand the ins and outs of playing in a professional league. He'll also have the kind of money to where he'll be able to pay for college himself, especially if he is a top-5 pick in 2012.

Everyone's got to make the right choice for themselves. I guess it's a cultural thing, but where I grew up, colleges were institutions of learning, not promotional tools for professional sports leagues.

And the others, Ryan, are some of the best professional soccer players in the world, all of whom not only started playing for not only their clubs, but in some instances their countries, before they turned 18.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Freddie Adu?
 
GB-Hack said:
Whether it's better or not is not the point.

The kid is going to get his high school diploma, has already stated his intention to do that. He's going to be making six figures for at minimum a 2-year deal in, most likely, Spain, the same league that made Rubio the apparent No.2 prospect for this year's draft.

If this works for him, and I don't see why it won't, he'll return likely a more professional player than his counterparts who had to maintain some kind of pretense of going to class, and understand the ins and outs of playing in a professional league. He'll also have the kind of money to where he'll be able to pay for college himself, especially if he is a top-5 pick in 2012.

Everyone's got to make the right choice for themselves. I guess it's a cultural thing, but where I grew up, colleges were institutions of learning, not promotional tools for professional sports leagues.

And the others, Ryan, are some of the best professional soccer players in the world, all of whom not only started playing for not only their clubs, but in some instances their countries, before they turned 18.

Either way, I think kids -- at least in this country -- should finish high school. I can deal with people skipping college, but seriously....finish high school.
 
Big Buckin' agate_monkey said:
Speaking of which, whatever happened to Freddie Adu?

He's around, and he's one of the top 19 year olds in the world.
 
Big Buckin' agate_monkey said:
GB-Hack said:
Whether it's better or not is not the point.

The kid is going to get his high school diploma, has already stated his intention to do that. He's going to be making six figures for at minimum a 2-year deal in, most likely, Spain, the same league that made Rubio the apparent No.2 prospect for this year's draft.

If this works for him, and I don't see why it won't, he'll return likely a more professional player than his counterparts who had to maintain some kind of pretense of going to class, and understand the ins and outs of playing in a professional league. He'll also have the kind of money to where he'll be able to pay for college himself, especially if he is a top-5 pick in 2012.

Everyone's got to make the right choice for themselves. I guess it's a cultural thing, but where I grew up, colleges were institutions of learning, not promotional tools for professional sports leagues.

And the others, Ryan, are some of the best professional soccer players in the world, all of whom not only started playing for not only their clubs, but in some instances their countries, before they turned 18.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Freddie Adu?

Playing for Monaco in the French First Division, and pretty much a staple in the U.S. National team set-up at this point. He's coming along nicely.

http://goal.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/28/freddy-adu-speaks-out/
 
It'd be nice if that were true.
Dude hasn't gotten onto the field in two years in Europe.
He's no longer even the best US 19-year-old. (Jozy Altidore).
 
Twoback said:
It'd be nice if that were true.
Dude hasn't gotten onto the field in two years in Europe.
He's no longer even the best US 19-year-old. (Jozy Altidore).

Or, you know, he could have been playing for Monaco late last year, and scored his first goal for the U.S. in the last round of qualifying.

Like he said himself, and I'll add that there are exceptions to the rule, you don't get a permanent place in the starting line-up when you're 19. You have to work through it to pay your dues.

And yet, despite that he hasn't played for Monaco for a while, Bradley thinks enough of him to keep him in every World Cup qualifying squad.
 
Because of his one year at Memphis, Derrick Rose made millions more than he would have if he'd been allowed to enter the draft directly out of high school. The promotional value of NCAA basketball is drastically underrated by those who don't truly understand the economics of the sport.
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This is a huge misconception. Derrick Rose would have been a Top 5 pick out of high school, without a doubt. And it's not like he signed a LeBron-esque endorsement deal. adidas would have likely signed Rose out of high school to a similar deal he got out of Memphis.

Also, basketball players have a short lifespan now. Why not start bringing in money as early as possible. With AAU basketball wearing out kids' knees by the time they're in college, players are lucky to play past their 30th birthday. When they're done, if they need it, they can go to college. Colleges aren't going anywhere.
 
That's one other thing I just thought of. All of us who have had experience with AAU basketball know how godawful it can be.

Could there be an argument that Tyler getting out of the AAU system, and into a professional one, is a side-benefit of making this move?
 
It's not even a mathematical misconception.
As the No. 1 pick for 2008, Rose gets $12.96 mil for the first three years.
As the No. 4 pick for 2007, he'd have gotten 9.08.
So he'd have played the first year for free, anyway.
And he'd be in Memphis playing for a bad team and a bad franchise, instead of leading a playoff team in his hometown of Chicago, where I guarantee you he gets more in endorsements than just a shoe deal. Name recognition is essential in endorsements, and Kevin Durant, Greg Oden and Derrick Rose all have benefitted in this way by the 19-rule.
So players have "short lifespans" now? So how come Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal and Rasheed Wallace are still playing ball?
 
Twoback said:
It's not even a mathematical misconception.
As the No. 1 pick for 2008, Rose gets $12.96 mil for the first three years.
As the No. 4 pick for 2007, he'd have gotten 9.08.
So he'd have played the first year for free, anyway.
And he'd be in Memphis playing for a bad team and a bad franchise, instead of leading a playoff team in his hometown of Chicago, where I guarantee you he gets more in endorsements than just a shoe deal. Name recognition is essential in endorsements, and Kevin Durant, Greg Oden and Derrick Rose all have benefitted in this way by the 19-rule.
So players have "short lifespans" now? So how come Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal and Rasheed Wallace are still playing ball?

Garnett is 32 years old and MIGHT have another good year left. Bryant just turned 30 and he's on the downswing of his career. Shaq and Sheed came up in a slightly different time.

But that's besides the point. There are always exceptions. Always. What about Jonathan Bender? What about Bill Walker, who would have been a lottery pick out of high school and is now lucky to be in the league. What about Leon Powe, who has now torn his ACL three times, I believe? What about Randolph Morris, who would have gotten first-round money out of high school but choose to go to college and now is barely in the league.
 
Twoback said:
It's not even a mathematical misconception.
As the No. 1 pick for 2008, Rose gets $12.96 mil for the first three years.
As the No. 4 pick for 2007, he'd have gotten 9.08.
So he'd have played the first year for free, anyway.
And he'd be in Memphis playing for a bad team and a bad franchise, instead of leading a playoff team in his hometown of Chicago, where I guarantee you he gets more in endorsements than just a shoe deal. Name recognition is essential in endorsements, and Kevin Durant, Greg Oden and Derrick Rose all have benefitted in this way by the 19-rule.
So players have "short lifespans" now? So how come Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Shaquille O'Neal and Rasheed Wallace are still playing ball?

If he gets into the league one year earlier, he hits max contracts one year earlier.
 
I'm guessing that the incentive to the Eurpoean teams is to insert large buyout clauses.
 
The ideal situation is to have something for this kid to play in while he is here.

If they choose to not attend college (still a mistake, but oh well) they can go straight to a developmental league or a team that would play in a European League based in America (two weeks at home, two weeks on the road). They can make $100,000 or $200,000 (which most of them will still live paycheck to paycheck) for one or two years, then become eligible to play in the NBA.

Kids dropping out of high school to play 3,000 miles away from home with a fistful of dollars is not the best idea. There will be horror stories coming from this if it catches on. Horror stories.
 

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