Does Obama love America?

[Dick Whitman]

I don't think we have a standalone thread on this.

It's a Really Important Question!

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...t-expressed-love-for-his-country/?ref=us&_r=0

 

[I Should Coco]

Well, he does wear a flag pin on his lapel ... but apparently it's not straight enough for some:

Some people noticed something peculiar about Obama’s American flag pin; Symbolic? | Twitchy

No word on whether or not he has a yellow ribbon magnet on his presidential limo.

 

[YankeeFan]

Does he?

I keep hearing liberals attack the question, but I don't hear many pointing to evidence that he does love the country.

Shouldn't it be an easy question to answer?

When we look at the people who shaped his beliefs, from his mother and father, to his mentors like Frank Marshal Davis, Bill Ayers, and the Rev. Wright, we see people who left America, tried to overthrow it, communists, and people who condemned America.

His wife was never proud of her country until her husband was running for the office of President.

Obama doesn't believe in American exceptionalism, at least as opposed to the way Greeks might believe in Greek exceptionalism.

Obama compares what happened in Ferguson, MO to the worst human rights abuses around the globe.

He draws moral equivalency between America's history, with slavery and Jim Crow, and the Islamic State's decapitation of Christians, and rape and enslavement of Yazidis.

I believe that America, and our military, has been the greatest force to spread peace, freedom, and democracy across the globe. Does Obama even believe we are a net positive?

 

[I Should Coco]

I think he loves our country a great deal. Especially for a guy who wasn't even born here ... :p

 

[Dick Whitman]

What the **** is "American exceptionalism"?

 

[JC]

Do you love your country Yankeefan?

I get the impression that people like yourself Tony and Baron would rather see your country fail if the wrong side is in power than succeed. Politics have become like a college football rivalry.

 

[Dick Whitman]

1960s:

 

[cranberry]

I believe Republicans marginalize themselves a little more every time they bring up stupid **** like this. YF is a case in point.

 

[BTExpress]

I believe that America, and our military, has been the greatest force to spread peace, freedom, and democracy across the globe.

That is bat**** insane.

Does Obama even believe we are a net positive?

We overthrow democratically elected governments at a whim. We've been a funder and supporter of terrorists for more than a generation. We are pathologically hypocritical when it comes to letting other nations determine their own course (they're good if they are changing toward our side, evil if they vote to side with someone not with us). Al-Qaeda and ISIS are Made in the USA.

 

[YankeeFan]

That is bat**** insane.

OK. Disagree with me.

Who/what is?

And, is America a net good, or a net evil?

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

OK. Disagree with me.

Who/what is?

And, is America a net good, or a net evil?

Haven't you been reading your Oklahoma-issued AP US History text? We're evil. :D

 

[Dick Whitman]

I believe that the United States has been a net good, certainly. However, there is nothing inherent about it. Smart people have worked hard at that. Sometimes they stumble. Most of the time, thankfully, they don't.

What am I actually supposed to think? How does this vary from American "exceptionalism"?

 

[YankeeFan]

Do you love your country Yankeefan?

I get the impression that people like yourself Tony and Baron would rather see your country fail if the wrong side is in power than succeed. Politics have become like a college football rivalry.

I love America -- and I've traveled the world enough to know how special it is. (And, don't get me wrong, Canada is incredible as well.)

I also believe that America -- due in large part to our Constitution -- like baseball, is so great that no one man or party can ruin it, or my love for it.

Sure, when Democrats are in charge, they institute change that can prove impossible to undue, but we'll probably never get rid of the designated hitter or inter-league play either, and baseball is still the best sport on the planet.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I love America -- and I've traveled the world enough to know how special it is. (And, don't get me wrong, Canada is incredible as well.)

I also believe that America -- due in large part to our Constitution -- like baseball, is so great that no one man or party can ruin it, or my love for it.

Sure, when Democrats are in charge, they institute change that can prove impossible to undue, but we'll probably never get rid of the designated hitter or inter-league play either, and baseball is still the best sport on the planet.

Eh ...

 

[poindexter]

Does he?

I keep hearing liberals attack the question, but I don't hear many pointing to evidence that he does love the country.

Shouldn't it be an easy question to answer?

When we look at the people who shaped his beliefs, from his mother and father, to his mentors like Frank Marshal Davis, Bill Ayers, and the Rev. Wright, we see people who left America, tried to overthrow it, communists, and people who condemned America.

His wife was never proud of her country until her husband was running for the office of President.

Obama doesn't believe in American exceptionalism, at least as opposed to the way Greeks might believe in Greek exceptionalism.

Obama compares what happened in Ferguson, MO to the worst human rights abuses around the globe.

He draws moral equivalency between America's history, with slavery and Jim Crow, and the Islamic State's decapitation of Christians, and rape and enslavement of Yazidis.

I believe that America, and our military, has been the greatest force to spread peace, freedom, and democracy across the globe. Does Obama even believe we are a net positive?

So what is his endgame? Why go through the meatgrinder of two elections, as well as the day-to-day scrutiny?

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Do you love your country Yankeefan?

I get the impression that people like yourself Tony and Baron would rather see your country fail if the wrong side is in power than succeed. Politics have become like a college football rivalry.

Did you somehow miss that impression with every other politically inclined person on the board? That unfortunate reality works both ways.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

So what is his endgame? Why go through the meatgrinder of two elections, as well as the day-to-day scrutiny?

Why does anyone run for president? Power.

 

[JC]

That is why I included Baron, it's not a right, left thing.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

I believe Republicans marginalize themselves a little more every time they bring up stupid **** like this. YF is a case in point.

This, very much.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

That is why I included Baron, it's not a right, left thing.

Well, if you included Baron on that side, we win! :)