Wilpon Turns Steinbrenneresque

[Boom_70]

This weeks New Yorker has a good story on The Wilpons by Jeffery Toobin.

No doubt some of his quotes will keep the NY sports talk stations going for the next month.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/30/110530fa_fact_toobin

Jose Reyes: "He thinks he's going to get Carl Crawford money," "He's had everything wrong with him. He won't get it."

Carlos Beltran: "We had some schmuck in New York who paid him based on that one series. He's 65 to 70 percent of what he was."

David Wright: "Really good kid. A very good player. Not a superstar."

 

[cranberry]

My Product Sucks Everyone!!!

 

[sgreenwell]

[blue]Wow, with evaluations like that, I'm surprised the Mets aren't on top![/blue]

I think it was Bill James who once said that the worst teams have the tendency to blame their best players for their plight, as opposed to focusing on the four to seven other weak links in the lineup.

 

[bigpern23]

Fred and Jeff Wilpon were seen on the mound at Citi Field today trying to save a few dollars.

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[Ben_Hecht]

This weeks New Yorker has a good story on The Wilpons by Jeffery Toobin.

No doubt some of his quotes will keep the NY sports talk stations going for the next month.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/30/110530fa_fact_toobin

Jose Reyes: "He thinks he's going to get Carl Crawford money," "He's had everything wrong with him. He won't get it."

Carlos Beltran: "We had some schmuck in New York who paid him based on that one series. He's 65 to 70 percent of what he was."

David Wright: "Really good kid. A very good player. Not a superstar."

The Wilpons: "We fell for Bernie's line of ****. How ------ stupid are we?"

 

[NickMordo]

He was right about everything he said about his players, but he obviously shouldn't have said it out loud.

 

[Stitch]

This weeks New Yorker has a good story on The Wilpons by Jeffery Toobin.

No doubt some of his quotes will keep the NY sports talk stations going for the next month.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/30/110530fa_fact_toobin

Jose Reyes: "He thinks he's going to get Carl Crawford money," "He's had everything wrong with him. He won't get it."

Carlos Beltran: "We had some schmuck in New York who paid him based on that one series. He's 65 to 70 percent of what he was."

David Wright: "Really good kid. A very good player. Not a superstar."

The Wilpons: "We fell for Bernie's line of ****. How ------ stupid are we?"

Except they made money.

 

[Boom_70]

Luppy probably has a notebook fully of juicy quotes from the Wilpons, garnered while knocking the little white ball around the "rock pile".

 

[Boom_70]

Heard Jeffrey Toobin on the radio. He said that the Wilpons reached out to The New Yorker so they could tell their their side of story.

Guess they did not expect the blow back.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

This weeks New Yorker has a good story on The Wilpons by Jeffery Toobin.

No doubt some of his quotes will keep the NY sports talk stations going for the next month.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/30/110530fa_fact_toobin

Jose Reyes: "He thinks he's going to get Carl Crawford money," "He's had everything wrong with him. He won't get it."

Carlos Beltran: "We had some schmuck in New York who paid him based on that one series. He's 65 to 70 percent of what he was."

David Wright: "Really good kid. A very good player. Not a superstar."

The Wilpons: "We fell for Bernie's line of ****. How ------ stupid are we?"

Except they made money.

Well-understand that on the books, they did, indeed.

There's easily another 5,000 well-chosen New Yorker words to be written about
that little wrinkle.

 

[cjericho]

He was right about everything he said about his players, but he obviously shouldn't have said it out loud.

not really. not sure who wants him but based on what they both can do when healthy Reyes deserves as much or more than Crawford. actually Crawford really doesn't even have that much more power. he usually hits for a higher average, but he's a left fielder. Reyes is a SS and is definitely above average defensively.

 

[sgreenwell]

He was right about everything he said about his players, but he obviously shouldn't have said it out loud.

not really. not sure who wants him but based on what they both can do when healthy Reyes deserves as much or more than Crawford. actually Crawford really doesn't even have that much more power. he usually hits for a higher average, but he's a left fielder. Reyes is a SS and is definitely above average defensively.

Reyes probably deserves that much just because this isn't the late 1990s anymore, and the offensive standard at the position has downgraded. He's one of the few guys left who can hit. It shows up in his Baseball Prospectus PECOTA comparisons - Jimmy Rollins and Rafael Furcal are his top two matches.

Personally, I think a long-term deal for him would be foolish, but someone will probably give it to him. Ideally, if you were a team, you'd probably want to sign him to a Red Sox 2010 Adrian Beltre deal - Heavy on incentives and a decent base salary, short-term contract.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

He was right about everything he said about his players, but he obviously shouldn't have said it out loud.

not really. not sure who wants him but based on what they both can do when healthy Reyes deserves as much or more than Crawford. actually Crawford really doesn't even have that much more power. he usually hits for a higher average, but he's a left fielder. Reyes is a SS and is definitely above average defensively.

Reyes probably deserves that much just because this isn't the late 1990s anymore, and the offensive standard at the position has downgraded. He's one of the few guys left who can hit. It shows up in his Baseball Prospectus PECOTA comparisons - Jimmy Rollins and Rafael Furcal are his top two matches.

Personally, I think a long-term deal for him would be foolish, but someone will probably give it to him. Ideally, if you were a team, you'd probably want to sign him to a Red Sox 2010 Adrian Beltre deal - Heavy on incentives and a decent base salary, short-term contract.

Obviously that's what you would want, but you won't get him because someone will give him a long term deal. Do you lose him or match it?

 

[sgreenwell]

He was right about everything he said about his players, but he obviously shouldn't have said it out loud.

not really. not sure who wants him but based on what they both can do when healthy Reyes deserves as much or more than Crawford. actually Crawford really doesn't even have that much more power. he usually hits for a higher average, but he's a left fielder. Reyes is a SS and is definitely above average defensively.

Reyes probably deserves that much just because this isn't the late 1990s anymore, and the offensive standard at the position has downgraded. He's one of the few guys left who can hit. It shows up in his Baseball Prospectus PECOTA comparisons - Jimmy Rollins and Rafael Furcal are his top two matches.

Personally, I think a long-term deal for him would be foolish, but someone will probably give it to him. Ideally, if you were a team, you'd probably want to sign him to a Red Sox 2010 Adrian Beltre deal - Heavy on incentives and a decent base salary, short-term contract.

Obviously that's what you would want, but you won't get him because someone will give him a long term deal. Do you lose him or match it?

The Sox have just let people walk as opposed to signing them, and that's worked out OK (Pedro and Jason Bay didn't come close to earning their contracts, Clemens was pre-Epstein). But they also spend pretty eagerly in the draft and in free agency to cover up the holes, and their own forays into FA haven't exactly been successful (Lugo, Lackey, Renteria). I don't think the Mets' system has the depth to lose Reyes, but they're a mess anyway, even with Alderson taking on more of a role.

 

[cjericho]

He was right about everything he said about his players, but he obviously shouldn't have said it out loud.

not really. not sure who wants him but based on what they both can do when healthy Reyes deserves as much or more than Crawford. actually Crawford really doesn't even have that much more power. he usually hits for a higher average, but he's a left fielder. Reyes is a SS and is definitely above average defensively.

Reyes probably deserves that much just because this isn't the late 1990s anymore, and the offensive standard at the position has downgraded. He's one of the few guys left who can hit. It shows up in his Baseball Prospectus PECOTA comparisons - Jimmy Rollins and Rafael Furcal are his top two matches.

Personally, I think a long-term deal for him would be foolish, but someone will probably give it to him. Ideally, if you were a team, you'd probably want to sign him to a Red Sox 2010 Adrian Beltre deal - Heavy on incentives and a decent base salary, short-term contract.

Obviously that's what you would want, but you won't get him because someone will give him a long term deal. Do you lose him or match it?

The Sox have just let people walk as opposed to signing them, and that's worked out OK (Pedro and Jason Bay didn't come close to earning their contracts, Clemens was pre-Epstein). But they also spend pretty eagerly in the draft and in free agency to cover up the holes, and their own forays into FA haven't exactly been successful (Lugo, Lackey, Renteria). I don't think the Mets' system has the depth to lose Reyes, but they're a mess anyway, even with Alderson taking on more of a role.

you listed all the bad FA but what about Damon, Manny, Foulke. that's going back, but no way they win in 04 without those guys. i just think Reyes right now is heading into his prime years. yes he's always been hurt but if Crawford can get that much, a guy who is pretty much equal offensively, but plays SS, should also get that much. basically Wilpon is a douche and showed it with his comments. does he think that will make Reyes give him a hometown discount. WTF is the point of saying that. at least with Steinbrenner he thought in his mind he was lighting a fire under guys. sure he pretty much wasn't but he at least could say F that guy we'll sign someone else. what is asswipe Wilpon saying, F Reyes we'll get someone like Joe McEwing to replace him.

 

[BYH]

Damon and Manny were Duquette signings. Guy never got as much credit as he deserved for that Red Sox title.

 

[cjericho]

Damon and Manny were Duquette signings. Guy never got as much credit as he deserved for that Red Sox title.

yeah looked up Damon, didn't realize they had him in 02. also going back even further wasn't it Duquette who sodomized the Mariners for Lowe and Varitek.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

Doubtful the Mets take any straight-up salary dumps and get anything better than mid-level prospects. Doofus Fred showed an already bad hand and other GMs have long known they are in desperation mode.

 

[BYH]

Damon and Manny were Duquette signings. Guy never got as much credit as he deserved for that Red Sox title.

yeah looked up Damon, didn't realize they had him in 02. also going back even further wasn't it Duquette who sodomized the Mariners for Lowe and Varitek.

I'm not sure sodomized is a strong enough expression for what he did to the M's there. Duquette's personality flaws prevented him from getting the credit he deserves.

 

[sgreenwell]

Damon and Manny were Duquette signings. Guy never got as much credit as he deserved for that Red Sox title.

yeah looked up Damon, didn't realize they had him in 02. also going back even further wasn't it Duquette who sodomized the Mariners for Lowe and Varitek.

I'm not sure sodomized is a strong enough expression for what he did to the M's there. Duquette's personality flaws prevented him from getting the credit he deserves.

Yeah, and IIRC, he had some truly horrible drafts throughout his reign, Nomar-excluded. (And that might have been a Gorman pick, I can't remember.)

I think most teams are 50/50 at best when it comes to free agent signings, since you're almost always paying for a guy's years past 28. By that standard, the Red Sox and Yankees do OK. It's teams like the Royals that screw things up, since they're throwing money at mediocre guys with little upside as well.