Whatever you do, don't make mistakes at Notre Dame

[Pringle]

This is crap.

"Let no man judge lest he be judged." Isn't that what it says?

http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070123/NDSports03/701230421/-1/SPORTS

 

[X-Hack]

From the article:

According to du Lac, the Notre Dame student handbook, use of marijuana or other controlled substances by Notre Dame students is considered a serious offense, punishable by dismissal from school.

He knew the rules and the penalty. Apparently he broke the rules too. If so, shouldn't he be subject to the rules?

If your comments are about our nation's marijuana policies, I'm with you 100 percent. But the rules are the rules. I detest ND and do not defend the institution lightly. But I'm not sure how this is "crap."

 

[Football_Bat]

C'mon, it's Notre Dame. The only place where a university president can **** and moan about being "a minor league for professional sports," and all the while his school pockets millions from NBC.

 

[JR]

Further proof that the War on Drugs is working.

Do they kick you out for underage drinking as well?

So much for Christian love.

 

[alleyallen]

Further proof that the War on Drugs is working.

Do they kick you out for underage drinking as well?

So much for Christian love.

As much as I tend to agree with you, I take a separate stance on this. While keeping marijuana illegal is stupid, it's still against the law and this guy knew the school's policy.

 

[Pringle]

From the article:

According to du Lac, the Notre Dame student handbook, use of marijuana or other controlled substances by Notre Dame students is considered a serious offense, punishable by dismissal from school.

He knew the rules and the penalty. Apparently he broke the rules too. If so, shouldn't he be subject to the rules?

If your comments are about our nation's marijuana policies, I'm with you 100 percent. But the rules are the rules. I detest ND and do not defend the institution lightly. But I'm not sure how this is "crap."

At some point common sense has to prevail. There's no indication that this kid had a history of being a problem. I can even understand being kicked off the team. But out of school entirely? There has to be a way you can serve your penance without getting the death penalty for one stupid joint.

 

[bigpern23]

Funny, I didn't see anyone saying that Boston College's policy sucks when Williams got the boot for his marijuana violation. I'll chalk it up to hatred for ND.

Guy knew the rules, broke em and is being held accountable. What's the problem here?

 

[bigpern23]

From the article:

According to du Lac, the Notre Dame student handbook, use of marijuana or other controlled substances by Notre Dame students is considered a serious offense, punishable by dismissal from school.

He knew the rules and the penalty. Apparently he broke the rules too. If so, shouldn't he be subject to the rules?

If your comments are about our nation's marijuana policies, I'm with you 100 percent. But the rules are the rules. I detest ND and do not defend the institution lightly. But I'm not sure how this is "crap."

At some point common sense has to prevail. There's no indication that this kid had a history of being a problem. I can even understand being kicked off the team. But out of school entirely? There has to be a way you can serve your penance without getting the death penalty for one stupid joint.

It's not exactly the death penalty either. Story said he can reapply for admission for the summer session.

 

[Big Buckin' agate_monkey]

Preach it, brother bigpern!

 

[Trouser_Buddah]

A little off the subject, but in my experience, I've never met a group of kids more pretentious and self-righteous than those on the 'Student Affairs Committees'.

Again, that's just my experience....

 

[Pringle]

No, Big, it's just the double-edged sword that is Notre Dame. The schools is always likely to draw more interest than a place like BC, in good times and bad.

And I know this is a straw man, but I wonder what would have happened if this were Brady Quinn or Jeff Samaerardlkjdfal;df.

 

[outofplace]

Funny, I didn't see anyone saying that Boston College's policy sucks when Williams got the boot for his marijuana violation. I'll chalk it up to hatred for ND.

Guy knew the rules, broke em and is being held accountable. What's the problem here?

Doesn't Williams have a history of problems before the one that got him dismissed from the team? I thought that was the case both with him and with McClain.

That does make a difference.

 

[JR]

At some point common sense has to prevail. There's no indication that this kid had a history of being a problem. I can even understand being kicked off the team. But out of school entirely?

Common sense doesn't seem to have played any role in it. So much for an institution of higher learning.

Messages left for Notre Dame coach Mike Brey and sports information director Bernadette Cafarelli were not returned late Monday. A school spokesman told the Tribune last week that nobody associated with the basketball program would be able to comment on McAlarney's situation should he ultimately be dismissed

Gutless pukes.

 

[Cadet]

I agree that the guy knew the rules and shouldn't have been smoking, but knowing the school's "stance" on underage drinking, I find this laughable.

 

[Pringle]

At some point common sense has to prevail. There's no indication that this kid had a history of being a problem. I can even understand being kicked off the team. But out of school entirely?

Common sense doesn't seem to have played any role in it. So much for an institution of higher learning.

Messages left for Notre Dame coach Mike Brey and sports information director Bernadette Cafarelli were not returned late Monday. A school spokesman told the Tribune last week that nobody associated with the basketball program would be able to comment on McAlarney's situation should he ultimately be dismissed

Gutless pukes.

Interesting. I would have figured Brey was the "source close to ..." Guess not.

 

[JR]

I agree that the guy knew the rules and shouldn't have been smoking, but knowing the school's "stance" on underage drinking, I find this laughable.

For or against or a blind eye? :)

 

[bigpern23]

Funny, I didn't see anyone saying that Boston College's policy sucks when Williams got the boot for his marijuana violation. I'll chalk it up to hatred for ND.

Guy knew the rules, broke em and is being held accountable. What's the problem here?

Doesn't Williams have a history of problems before the one that got him dismissed from the team? I thought that was the case both with him and with McClain.

That does make a difference.

Yes, Williams had one prior marijuana incident (for which he was suspended). If you're against punishing a kid for one little joint, why is it OK to punish one for two little joints? I know, you can say there's a history there, but let's not pretend that McAlarney got caught the first time he smoked a joint.

BC is more lenient than ND, which is why Williams got a second chance (and blew that, too). ND has a written policy saying how seriously it takes a marijuana violation. McAlarney knew it, tried to get away with it and didn't. Pay the piper.

For as often as we talk about how athletes aren't held accountable for their actions (from middle school on up), I'm surprised anyone would have a problem with ND enforcing its stated policy.

 

[outofplace]

Funny, I didn't see anyone saying that Boston College's policy sucks when Williams got the boot for his marijuana violation. I'll chalk it up to hatred for ND.

Guy knew the rules, broke em and is being held accountable. What's the problem here?

Doesn't Williams have a history of problems before the one that got him dismissed from the team? I thought that was the case both with him and with McClain.

That does make a difference.

Yes, Williams had one prior marijuana incident (for which he was suspended). If you're against punishing a kid for one little joint, why is it OK to punish one for two little joints? I know, you can say there's a history there, but let's not pretend that McAlarney got caught the first time he smoked a joint.

BC is more lenient than ND, which is why Williams got a second chance (and blew that, too). ND has a written policy saying how seriously it takes a marijuana violation. McAlarney knew it, tried to get away with it and didn't. Pay the piper.

For as often as we talk about how athletes aren't held accountable for their actions (from middle school on up), I'm surprised anyone would have a problem with ND enforcing its stated policy.

I don't have a problem with it. I'm just pointing out a difference in the two situations.

 

[JR]

Schools, like other institutions, have policies, which are usually flexible, and breaches are usually dealt with on a case by case basis.

And unless ND missed the meeting, "zero tolerance" has been pretty much discredited as a way of dealing with issues such as this.

And worst is the school's muzzling the team about the incident.

 

[Armchair_QB]

Of course if the kid wasn't kicked out of school all the people ripping Notre Dame now for following its own policy would be ripping the school for NOT following its own policy.