U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

[Dick Whitman]

Amusing that the crew that wants no hint of suggestion that the U.S. government has done anything wrong in the past, is essentially calling for the overthrow (or dismantling) of the current government. Something seems to have darkened their outlook.

It's almost like there's something different about the current President.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Yeah, it's the lack of liberal influence in public education that is killing this country.

 

[Starman]

I think slavery has always been treated in history books as something that should not have happened. The history book I had 25 years ago mentioned which presidents had owned slaves and portrays the Civil War as one of the darkest points in US History.

In the past few years there's been a resurgence of the argument that slaves in the pre-Civil War South were better off than bottom-rung poor whites.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Yeah, it's the lack of liberal influence in public education that is killing this country.

That and soccer.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

"While ISIS was trying to take over the Middle East and wantonly beheading and burning alive innocent hostages, America's greatest president, Barack Obama, was filming commercials with the greatest invention of the 21st century -- the selfie stick. Those commercials promoted Obama's Affordable Health Care Act, which was the selfie stick of federal legislation. Before President Obama and the rise of selfies, America generally sucked. Ultimately, the ACA was extended throughout the world, which was great for all the non-insured global citizens who survived beheadings and burnings."

 

[Dick Whitman]

IS-ghazi.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Miracle on ISIS

 

[LongTimeListener]

We need to teach our children about the Atlantic triangular trade that involved crops, manufactured goods and ... something else.

Texas textbook war: 'Slavery' or 'Atlantic triangular trade'? - CSMonitor.com

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.

I can understand why people would take issue with this.

 

[Dick Whitman]

It seems like there's room for both. And I suspect that, despite this nincompoop's statements to the contrary, both were indeed covered.

 

[LongTimeListener]

It seems like there's room for both. And I suspect that, despite this nincompoop's statements to the contrary, both were indeed covered.

They sure were in my AP history class, which was taught by as liberal a man as I had ever met to that point in my life.

We learned about D-Day and also about internment. It is possible, perhaps even easy, to fit in both.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

They sure were in my AP history class, which was taught by as liberal a man as I had ever met to that point in my life.

We learned about D-Day and also about internment. It is possible, perhaps even easy, to fit in both.

Which one did he prefer teaching?

 

[LongTimeListener]

Didn't show a preference. I know this doesn't square with your "America Love It Or Leave It" that most of us outgrew by age 20 or so, but there are people with the ability to look at the whole picture.

One thing he did get pretty fired up teaching was McCarthyism. I'm sure you would have been sitting there, even today, wondering what the **** was so wrong with good old American Joe.

 

[MisterCreosote]

What's the official threshold for percentage of facts you must ignore in order to be considered adequately patriotic?

 

[RecoveringJournalist]

My AP US history teacher was probably the only openly conservative teacher in my school and I thought did a great job showing how dark the Civil War was, how controversial Vietnam was and what it was like during the Civil Rights Era. We basically stopped at 1968. I can't think of anything that I wish had been handled differently.

I'm sure re-writing American history will go over about as well as "New Math" has.

 

[Dick Whitman]

It seems that when these battles occur, people usually don't have a huge issue with telling it like it is about the Civil War, except for your occasional Southern revisionist who wants to argue that it wasn't about slavery.

It seems like the real battle ground is the Founding Fathers, as well as treatment of Native Americans. There seems to be a real issue with treating that early group - Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, etc. - as flesh-and-blood human beings rather than near-deities.

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

Didn't show a preference. I know this doesn't square with your "America Love It Or Leave It" that most of us outgrew by age 20 or so, but there are people with the ability to look at the whole picture.

One thing he did get pretty fired up teaching was McCarthyism. I'm sure you would have been sitting there, even today, wondering what the **** was so wrong with good old American Joe.

So he was a Communist?

 

[BTExpress]

It seems like the real battle ground is the Founding Fathers, as well as treatment of Native Americans. There seems to be a real issue with treating that early group - Washington, Hamilton, Jefferson, etc. - as flesh-and-blood human beings rather than near-deities.

Well, it's hard to dispute that any nation today that did what we did (conquering lands and displacing the people already there) would be viewed as evil and a threat to the world.

 

[Starman]

Well, it's hard to dispute that any nation today that did what we did (conquering lands and displacing the people already there) would be viewed as evil and a threat to the world.

Andrew Jackson in particular would probably be hauled to The Hague and lined up in front of a firing squad.

 

[MisterCreosote]

Andrew Jackson in particular would probably be hauled to The Hague and lined up in front of a firing squad.

Sorry, but the Trail of Tears will now be known only as the Trail of Awesome Awesomeness.