Two Years On: Obamacare

[Azrael]

Google 'patient dumping.'

 

[Armchair_QB]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

 

[Starman]

It would have to be an opinion on par with Bush v. Gore. That's how bad it would have to be.

They'd have to throw out all of the Commerce Clause precedent to this point.

And they know they'd then have to overturn Medicare, Social Security, the ETAMLA and about 500 other different laws.

Everything is proceeding as I have foreseen.


They've wanted to get rid of this stuff for close to 80 years. Why would they stop now?

 

[User 11148]

It would have to be an opinion on par with Bush v. Gore. That's how bad it would have to be.

YGBFKM ...

 

[Zeke12]

It would have to be an opinion on par with Bush v. Gore. That's how bad it would have to be.

YGBFKM ...

No. I'm not. They'd have to throw out precedent entirely, and then they'd have to do what they did in Bush v. Gore and stick a line on the end that said this decision doesn't apply to any other future decision.

 

[Zeke12]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

 

[Armchair_QB]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

What good does the insurance do if you can't find a doctor to see you? Or are we going to force doctors to see patients 24-7 now?

And a $2 trillion federal boondoggle we can't afford bends the cost curve back how exactly?

 

[User 11148]

It would have to be an opinion on par with Bush v. Gore. That's how bad it would have to be.

YGBFKM ...

No. I'm not. They'd have to throw out precedent entirely, and then they'd have to do what they did in Bush v. Gore and stick a line on the end that said this decision doesn't apply to any other future decision.

YGBFKM ...

 

[Zeke12]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

What good does the insurance do if you can't find a doctor to see you? Or are we going to force doctors to see patients 24-7 now?

And a $2 trillion federal boondoggle we can't afford bends the cost curve back how exactly?

50 million people added to the insurance pool lowers the costs for everyone. That's how insurance works.

And insurance companies will have to pay out a fixed percentage in claims, which enforces the above.

 

[User 11148]

50 million people added to the insurance pool lowers the costs for everyone. That's how insurance works.

Shall I assume you neglected the blue font?

 

[Armchair_QB]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

What good does the insurance do if you can't find a doctor to see you? Or are we going to force doctors to see patients 24-7 now?

And a $2 trillion federal boondoggle we can't afford bends the cost curve back how exactly?

50 million people added to the insurance pool lowers the costs for everyone. That's how insurance works.

And insurance companies will have to pay out a fixed percentage in claims, which enforces the above.

And where does the insurance company get the money to pay those claims?

 

[Zeke12]

From premiums.

 

[LongTimeListener]

To answer the belief here that everything is OK because people can always go to the emergency room -- Steve Lopez in the LA Times wrote today about a girl whose family took her in on doctor's advice and found out she had nothing but an upset stomach -- but it took $5,000 to find that out and the family's insurance has a $5,000 deductible.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-me-lopez-medicalcosts-20120325,0,6538717.column

There was one thing, a metabolic panel, that the hospital charged $1,200 when the service is available for as low as $39. There is even an acknowledgement that the bills are so high because they have to make up ground on all the patients they don't get paid for. Just pretty much everything that's wrong summed up in one it-could-happen-to-you story.

 

[deskslave]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

What good does the insurance do if you can't find a doctor to see you? Or are we going to force doctors to see patients 24-7 now?

And a $2 trillion federal boondoggle we can't afford bends the cost curve back how exactly?

So your solution to the problem of not having enough doctors is to keep people who aren't you from seeing doctors. Charming.

You've conceded that the American medical system, as it exists, is insufficient...and you're defending that. YGBFKM, indeed.

 

[Armchair_QB]

From premiums.

And who pays the premiums of the people who will be forced at gunpoint to buy insurance they can't afford?

 

[Armchair_QB]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

What good does the insurance do if you can't find a doctor to see you? Or are we going to force doctors to see patients 24-7 now?

And a $2 trillion federal boondoggle we can't afford bends the cost curve back how exactly?

So your solution to the problem of not having enough doctors is to keep people who aren't you from seeing doctors. Charming.

You've conceded that the American medical system, as it exists, is insufficient...and you're defending that. YGBFKM, indeed.

I'm sorry, but where the **** did i say that exactly? Don't put ****ing words in my mouth.

 

[old_tony]

And Obamacare doesn't guarantee you get seen by a doctor so what changes?

50 million more people have insurance and we begin to bend the cost curve back to something approaching sustainable.

What good does the insurance do if you can't find a doctor to see you? Or are we going to force doctors to see patients 24-7 now?

And a $2 trillion federal boondoggle we can't afford bends the cost curve back how exactly?

So your solution to the problem of not having enough doctors is to keep people who aren't you from seeing doctors. Charming.

You've conceded that the American medical system, as it exists, is insufficient...and you're defending that. YGBFKM, indeed.

People get sick and die every day and in every place in the world. I guess that makes every medical system "insufficient."

 

[Azrael]

US life expectancy matches that of Cuba. Aim high.

 

[old_tony]

US life expectancy matches that of Cuba. Aim high.

Used to be a lot better. But with Medicare (and now Obamacare) bankrupting the system, people from around the world won't be coming to the US for their care any more. What a victory for the left.

 

[Azrael]

US life expectancy matches that of Cuba. Aim high.

Used to be a lot better.

Nope. It really never has been better. Highest it's ever been, in fact.

www.google.com/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:USA&dl=en&hl=en&q=us+life+expectancy+graph