Two good ethical issues from the NHL playoffs

[Elliotte Friedman]

Larry Brooks with a real interesting column about how the media can determine whether or not Jaromir Jagr makes $8.4 million with the Rangers next year:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008/sports/rangers/conn_job_107080.htm

The Flyers wanted to hand out copies of Mike Wise's column yesterday at their game against Washington, but the Post issued a cease-and-desist order. Don't like that move. The column's in the public domain. What's the big deal?

http://www.nbc10.com/sports/15915522/detail.html

Wise's original column, which is pretty funny, although I feel the Flyers are playing harder than they are dirtier:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041503637.html?hpid=artslot

 

[Stitch]

The Flyers could have bought 20,000 copies of the Post. Problem solved.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

Larry Brooks with a real interesting column about how the media can determine whether or not Jaromir Jagr makes $8.4 million with the Rangers next year:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04182008/sports/rangers/conn_job_107080.htm

Interesting stuff, FB. Now I've figured out why The Living Heart Donor is actually playing up to his ability. Jaromir Jagr can be so frustrating ... does it really take an incentive such as this for him to actually play the game?

The Flyers wanted to hand out copies of Mike Wise's column yesterday at their game against Washington, but the Post issued a cease-and-desist order. Don't like that move. The column's in the public domain. What's the big deal?

http://www.nbc10.com/sports/15915522/detail.html

Wise's original column, which is pretty funny, although I feel the Flyers are playing harder than they are dirtier:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/15/AR2008041503637.html?hpid=artslot

Gee ... Philly encouraging this crap? No shock there.

Thing is, the Flyers are pushing the Caps all over the ice. Hard to argue given that Washington has the look of a tired, beaten team.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

The Flyers wanted to hand out copies of Mike Wise's column yesterday at their game against Washington, but the Post issued a cease-and-desist order. Don't like that move. The column's in the public domain. What's the big deal?

It is not in the "public domain," a term which refers to something which is not owned or controlled by anybody and which has no legal restrictions on use. The column is copyrighted by the Post, which has the right to restrict the re-distribution of its intellectual property.

In other words, nothing to see here.

 

[PHINJ]

The Post should have found a way to distribute 20,000 copies of the paper at the Wachovia Center. Idiots.

 

[VJ]

They were too busy dealing with **** jokes.

 

[Elliotte Friedman]

Too much,

I disagree with the "nothing to see here" comment. I don't know how Mike Wise felt about the Flyers' idea, but if you're going to carve, don't run away.

Protecting re-distribution is such a lame excuse. It strikes me as chicken. You published it. Stand up for it. Don't hide.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

Brooks' column is another example of why media people shouldn't vote on awards.

I thought this thread was going to reference the Ottawa columnist who suggested the Senators needed to test Crosby's ankle injury with a two-hander.

 

[Sam Mills 51]

I thought this thread was going to reference the Ottawa columnist who suggested the Senators needed to test Crosby's ankle injury with a two-hander.

There's not much of an issue on that one, SS. That was dirty and absolutely unnecessary.

The media in Ottawa might want to look at Bryan Murray and the awful job he did down the stretch if it isn't already. Fired the coach, took over behind the bench and promptly ran the Titanic into the iceberg.

Coaches and GMs have been fired for much less.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Too much,

I disagree with the "nothing to see here" comment. I don't know how Mike Wise felt about the Flyers' idea, but if you're going to carve, don't run away.

Protecting re-distribution is such a lame excuse. It strikes me as chicken. You published it. Stand up for it. Don't hide.

: Yeah, because Mike Wise would be in charge of that for the Post.

Didn't come from him, which should be obvious. The Post's upper management would be the ones making that call, which is within their rights as the copyright holder.

 

[Flying Headbutt]

Heck, I saw Mike Wise on TV the other night cracking jokes about how pissed off people in Philly were. I think he said something like, if they opened the doors to the lower concourse early (while on camera) he was a goner. But he said it while laughing. I don't think he cared too much about the reaction the way the upper management in the Post did.

 

[Boom_70]

Gary Bettman paying attention to columns like Wise wrote are why the NHL is in the state that it is. Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals are not Bettman's meal ticket as Wise asserted. The NHL is better off going the direction of bringing back the Broad Street bullies.

 

[hockeybeat]

Gary Bettman paying attention to columns like Wise wrote are why the NHL is in the state that it is. Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals are not Bettman's meal ticket as Wise asserted. The NHL is better off going the direction of bringing back the Broad Street bullies.

Yes, the league needs to go back to professional wrestling on ice. Perhaps Bettman can hire Vince McMahon to be the league's marketing mind. In fact, eliminate hockey sticks. Give the players baseball bats and tell them to beat each other about the head and neck. Won't that be good for the league?

 

[Boom_70]

Gary Bettman paying attention to columns like Wise wrote are why the NHL is in the state that it is. Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals are not Bettman's meal ticket as Wise asserted. The NHL is better off going the direction of bringing back the Broad Street bullies.

Yes, the league needs to go back to professional wrestling on ice. Perhaps Bettman can hire Vince McMahon to be the league's marketing mind. In fact, eliminate hockey sticks. Give the players baseball bats and tell them to beat each other about the head and neck. Won't that be good for the league?

You were not even born when the league was at its best from a hockey standpoint, so back off junior .

 

[Mizzougrad96]

Funny how nobody has a problem with media voting a player an MVP or Cy Young or any other award that triggers a sizable bonus.

Plenty of college coaches have clauses in their contract where they get bonuses based on finishing in the Top 25 or Top 10 or whatever...

This is typical Post stirring **** up... And bless them for it, it's why I love the section...

 

[hockeybeat]

Gary Bettman paying attention to columns like Wise wrote are why the NHL is in the state that it is. Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals are not Bettman's meal ticket as Wise asserted. The NHL is better off going the direction of bringing back the Broad Street bullies.

Yes, the league needs to go back to professional wrestling on ice. Perhaps Bettman can hire Vince McMahon to be the league's marketing mind. In fact, eliminate hockey sticks. Give the players baseball bats and tell them to beat each other about the head and neck. Won't that be good for the league?

You were not even born when the league was at its best from a hockey standpoint, so back off junior .

No, I saw the 1980s Oilers, thank you much.

The league is still trying to get past the idea that the sport is nothing more than goons on ice hitting each other with fists and sticks. That happened 30 years ago; that was the Broad Street Bullies' contribution to the sport.

Players like Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Scott Gomez, Sidney Crosby; Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetteberg in Detroit; and so many more are what the NHL needs to market. Their skills and personalities can help grow the league from a public relations standpoint.

If the league follows your line of thinking, a meathead like Riley Cote will be more important than a Crosby or Ovechkin. What sense does that make?

 

[Boom_70]

Gary Bettman paying attention to columns like Wise wrote are why the NHL is in the state that it is. Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals are not Bettman's meal ticket as Wise asserted. The NHL is better off going the direction of bringing back the Broad Street bullies.

Yes, the league needs to go back to professional wrestling on ice. Perhaps Bettman can hire Vince McMahon to be the league's marketing mind. In fact, eliminate hockey sticks. Give the players baseball bats and tell them to beat each other about the head and neck. Won't that be good for the league?

You were not even born when the league was at its best from a hockey standpoint, so back off junior .

No, I saw the 1980s Oilers, thank you much.

The league is still trying to get past the idea that the sport is nothing more than goons on ice hitting each other with fists and sticks. That happened 30 years ago; that was the Broad Street Bullies' contribution to the sport.

Players like Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Scott Gomez, Sidney Crosby; Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetteberg in Detroit; and so many more are what the NHL needs to market. Their skills and personalities can help grow the league from a public relations standpoint.

If the league follows your line of thinking, a meathead like Riley Cote will be more important than a Crosby or Ovechkin. What sense does that make?

You sound like Mike Lupica.

Really there is no sense even debating this issue with you because you have no reference point.

 

[hockeybeat]

Gary Bettman paying attention to columns like Wise wrote are why the NHL is in the state that it is. Alex Ovechkin and the Capitals are not Bettman's meal ticket as Wise asserted. The NHL is better off going the direction of bringing back the Broad Street bullies.

Yes, the league needs to go back to professional wrestling on ice. Perhaps Bettman can hire Vince McMahon to be the league's marketing mind. In fact, eliminate hockey sticks. Give the players baseball bats and tell them to beat each other about the head and neck. Won't that be good for the league?

You were not even born when the league was at its best from a hockey standpoint, so back off junior .

No, I saw the 1980s Oilers, thank you much.

The league is still trying to get past the idea that the sport is nothing more than goons on ice hitting each other with fists and sticks. That happened 30 years ago; that was the Broad Street Bullies' contribution to the sport.

Players like Ovechkin, Malkin, Kovalchuk, Scott Gomez, Sidney Crosby; Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetteberg in Detroit; and so many more are what the NHL needs to market. Their skills and personalities can help grow the league from a public relations standpoint.

If the league follows your line of thinking, a meathead like Riley Cote will be more important than a Crosby or Ovechkin. What sense does that make?

You sound like Mike Lupica.

Really there is no sense even debating this issue with you because you have no reference point.

What's your reference point, other than to say the league needs to go back to the Broad Street Bullies era without anything to back it up.

Let me be crystal clear on this issue: I have no problem with fighting in hockey. In fact, I think it is good for the league. But the bench clearing on-ice gang wars of the 1970s drove a lot of casual fans away from the game. And the league is still hurting because of it.

 

[PHINJ]

No, it isn't. The bench-clearing brawls have been gone for 25 years. Has that helped the league? Not at all.

And, FYI, the Broad Street Bullies beat two of the greatest teams in hockey history -- the Orr Bruins and the Central Red Army team -- because they outplayed them and outcoached them.

 

[Boom_70]

No, it isn't. The bench-clearing brawls have been gone for 25 years. Has that helped the league? Not at all.

And, FYI, the Broad Street Bullies beat two of the greatest teams in hockey history -- the Orr Bruins and the Central Red Army team -- because they outplayed them and outcoached them.

Yes sir- What is lost on people like HB is how great a team the Flyers of that era really were - Bobby Clark, Rick Mcleish, Reggie Leach, Bill Barber. The series they had agianst the Bruins and them the following year against the Sabres were two of the greatest Stanley cups of all time. How about the game against the Red Army when the Russians walked off the ice because the Flyers were being so physical.

In the process of trying to pull in the casual fan the NHL alienated their loyal core.