Trouble moving from stringer to full-time

[deezl18]

Hey everyone, I'm new here to this topic has probably come up a bunch of times before, but I'm in need of advice from peers, not just my boss.  I graduated from Wake Forest this spring and I've been looking for a full-time job covering sports, and to be honest it's just not going well at all.  I've been working at the W-S Journal for 4 1/2 years, 2 as a clerk and the last two or so as a stringer.  I've got I'd say around 100 bylines between features, game stories, and previews.  I've done a couple stories for the Miami Herald as well, most recently covering the ACC Track Championships in April.  When my boss at the W-S Journal and I sat down to talk about jobs in March, he seemed to think I'd be fine and shouldn't settle immediately for a job in preps.

Well I've been applying for the most part to openings posted on journalismjobs.com and some on the APSE site, and I'm getting, for the most part, no response, which makes me question whether or not I'm even getting a look.  And I'm not applying for big-time beats here, mostly a bunch of preps stuff recently.  Basically, I'm wondering what I need to do to break into the business full-time, because it seems the lack of full-time experience is making it awfully tricky to get that first full-time job. 

I assume plenty of people have experienced this same situation, and if anyone on here has some advice on where I should go from here, let me know.  I'd really appreciate any help, and my email is [email protected]. 

Again, sorry if this same thing has been said a million times, but I'm new to the boards and need a little direction.

 

[Chi City 81]

You're Hired!

(had to be said)

 

[fishwrapper]

First "gig" at The Journal?
That sure beats me. I typed in/confirmed obits and slung horse agate as my first gig.
You win.

 

[dmurph003]

It took me awhile to figure out why the Wall Street Journal would be covering the ACC Track Championships. Anyhow, it's difficult for anyone who isn't familiar with your work to dispense advice, which is why it'd probably be best to sit down with someone who knows your ability level and will provide you with an honest assessment.

Find someone you respect who is established in the business, ask them what type of jobs you should be angling for, and go from there.

If your boss thinks you'll be fine, then the next advice is to be patient and keep pounding the pavement.

 

[JME]

deezl

The market is terrible. You'd better be patient and willling to compromise.

 

[Gold]

I don't think it is just a question of the market being terrible. Except for the late 1990s, I can't think of a time when it ever was easy trying to get a good job.

First, I think you have to consider your bosses position. He's real happy having you as a stringer, getting decent stories when he wants, and not giving you a full-time position. That's working really well for him. The problem is it isn't working well for you.

This is an old and tiring story - newspapers getting part-timers to work a lot of hours and never giving them a shot. Other people can also talk about their experience to back me up here.

What you have to decide is what you want to do? It may very well be that your editor and your department at that newspaper may think of you in this role and that is the limit.

It's your career and your ambition - nobody is going to give you anything.

 

[Apex]

I believe he means the Winston-Salem Journal.

 

[deezl18]

Yeah, sorry, Winston-Salem Journal. Around here W-S is standard for Winston-Salem, but nationwide I think the Wall Street Journal is a tad more well known.

Also, if this helps, I'm trying to get out of Winston (I've lived here my whole life and went to college here). So I have never really inquired too much about a full-time position at the Winston-Salem Journal, but I also don't think there's anything available, since all the guys have been locked in for 5+ years and don't show signs of leaving.

But I appreciate the support and responses. A more specific question would be this: should I bother with the internet job sites (journalismjobs.com and the like), or am I really going to get much of a look if my resume doesn't show any full-time experience?

 

[User 4332]

Two of the four newspaper jobs I've had, and two other offers I turned down, were through leads from journalismjobs.com. So I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. I also wouldn't rely on it solely. Are you checking the North Carolina Press Association Web site, as well as other state press associations?

Have you applied to all the openings Down East? You've got a bunch of decent entry-level jobs in New Bern, Wilson and Jacksonville, and I'd be surprised if they weren't willing to bite a little on a Wake grad with decent clips from the W-S Journal. Similarly there seem to be some good jobs just over the border in Va.

Are you expecting to get on at a larger paper right away? If so you might want to rethink that. I know I did when I thought I'd land at a decent size metro out of college. When September rolled around after a May graduation and I didn't have a job, I started looking at much smaller papers and it didn't take too long to get a couple of offers. At some point you've just got to get a job.

Also, it'd be worth talking to your editor at the Journal and seeing if he can help you get into one of other MG papers if there aren't any openings coming soon in Winston. I see from that job board that Hickory has a sports opening and it was a couple of weeks ago that one of the small MG papers in Virginia was advertising.

 

[JRoyal]

How much follow-up do you do after you send off your clips? If you don't call or e-mail to check if they got there, sometimes you fall by the wayside. Now, don't become obsessive about it and turn off any papers, but it never hurts (OK, rarely hurts) to make a quick call or, better yet, send off an e-mail saying how interested you are in the position and you wanted to make sure they got your clips and resume. If nothing else, you might be able to find out where you stand, and some editors might even give you some advice, telling you why they aren't interested if they're not and how you can improve your chances.

Also, I know references can go a loooonnnngggg way in this business. Make sure you have good contacts, and if you don't, find a way to make some.

 

[Lollygaggers]

Right on, JR, if you're getting no response back from any of these people, you absolutely have to follow up. Being a pest is not a good thing, but you want them to know your name and know your interest. It's part of an editor's job to handle that kind of stuff, and most of them will respond if you send a couple of e-mails or leave a voicemail. Plus, once they know your name, they might pass along your materials to someone they know. Who you know, and who they know, is always just as important (and sometimes more) than what you know, at least for getting your foot in the door.

 

[Tom Petty]

Yeah, sorry, Winston-Salem Journal.  Around here W-S is standard for Winston-Salem, but nationwide I think the Wall Street Journal is a tad more well known. 

Also, if this helps, I'm trying to get out of Winston (I've lived here my whole life and went to college here).  So I have never really inquired too much about a full-time position at the Winston-Salem Journal, but I also don't think there's anything available, since all the guys have been locked in for 5+ years and don't show signs of leaving.

But I appreciate the support and responses.  A more specific question would be this: should I bother with the internet job sites (journalismjobs.com and the like), or am I really going to get much of a look if my resume doesn't show any full-time experience? 

you're still in your college town ... go rectify your ****up and get a business degree.

 

[deezl18]

Hey, thanks to everyone who has given me some advice here, it's really helped out, especially those who PM'ed me. And in response to Tom Petty, most of my friends have business degrees and are either going to law school or have a job. So they're doing fine, but honestly if I was working the same jobs that most of them are, I would shoot myself. Most of that stuff's not for me.

 

[Ace]

deezl,

Not sure about the advice your editor gave you. Nothing wrong with starting out in a preps job. I would ask to sit down with him again and see if he has a line on any openings.

Ask him to mention you if someone calls who has an opening. Ask if he knows of any buddies in the business you might call and see what they have.

Does Wake Forest have a guy in the journalism school who knows about openings and such or who might put your name out there?

Keep working the corners. Good luck.

 

[Dan Hickling]

What do you mean "moving FROM stringer TO full time?" Like there aren't any full time stringers? Like being a stringer makes one any less of a reporter than a "beat guy"? It's all about how you see it and pursue it.

 

[awriter]

Hey everyone, I'm new here to this topic has probably come up a bunch of times before, but I'm in need of advice from peers, not just my boss.  I graduated from Wake Forest this spring and I've been looking for a full-time job covering sports, and to be honest it's just not going well at all.  I've been working at the W-S Journal for 4 1/2 years, 2 as a clerk and the last two or so as a stringer.  I've got I'd say around 100 bylines between features, game stories, and previews.  I've done a couple stories for the Miami Herald as well, most recently covering the ACC Track Championships in April.  When my boss at the W-S Journal and I sat down to talk about jobs in March, he seemed to think I'd be fine and shouldn't settle immediately for a job in preps.

Well I've been applying for the most part to openings posted on journalismjobs.com and some on the APSE site, and I'm getting, for the most part, no response, which makes me question whether or not I'm even getting a look.  And I'm not applying for big-time beats here, mostly a bunch of preps stuff recently.  Basically, I'm wondering what I need to do to break into the business full-time, because it seems the lack of full-time experience is making it awfully tricky to get that first full-time job. 

I assume plenty of people have experienced this same situation, and if anyone on here has some advice on where I should go from here, let me know.  I'd really appreciate any help, and my email is [email protected]. 

Again, sorry if this same thing has been said a million times, but I'm new to the boards and need a little direction.

Your situation sounds a lot like mine was 10 years ago. It took me a year to land my first job (covering preps at a 40K paper about an hour from a somewhat big city), and I'm now with a major outlet, so keep at it. Don't lose hope. And don't look at a preps job as "settling." Look at it as an opportunity to learn and to do great work.