Tonight's Dem Debate - Ohio

[writing irish]

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This is getting interesting. The facilitators want to move the debate past health care and discuss more topics but the candidates want to keep on discussing it. I'm with the candidates on this one. This is one of the few areas where they differ and it's a huge issue.

I'd say the debate's a draw thus far.

 

[writing irish]

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HRC's a little more articulate on her feet than O. so far tonight.

 

[SigR]

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3. No. If I'm asking the questions, I ask why they both feel the need to try to turn our country toward a more socialist society.

It's the natural progression of a government. If you've noticed, even the republicans have done more than their share to edge us in that direction. The big lie most people tell themselves is that a republican in politics today is very different from a democrat. Republicans just use different tactics and have different priorities when they steal, allocate, and redistribute. And they lean a little fascist.

I think you'd probably learn more to ask them, with sincerity, why the sky is blue. You'd learn as much or more.

 

[HejiraHenry]

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I can't find the AP scoring on this bout.

 

[writing irish]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

She needs more than that.

 

[21]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

Agree. BO seemed a little tired, almost annoyed. Hillary did very well. Maybe too late, but still a good showing.

 

[writing irish]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

She needs more than that.

Yes she does. She looked good overall. She didn't look good by harping on the "plagiarism" red herring, though. She scored style points with the rhetorical invocation of veterans at the end.

Obama didn't look bad, but didn't have an extra-base hit all night...just slapped opposite-field singles in unspectacular fashion.

 

[markvid]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

Agree. BO seemed a little tired, almost annoyed. Hillary did very well. Maybe too late, but still a good showing.

I'd be annoyed if a Clinton accused me of cheating, too, and had to sit there and defend myself against the biggest fake and liar we've ever seen.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

Agree. BO seemed a little tired, almost annoyed. Hillary did very well. Maybe too late, but still a good showing.

I'd be annoyed if a Clinton accused me of cheating, too, and had to sit there and defend myself against the biggest fake and liar we've ever seen.

That's one of the reasons you're not in politics. It goes with the territory.

 

[markvid]

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The Clinton Brothers take it to a new level.

 

[writing irish]

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AP first write-through

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_debate

 

[suburbia]

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Obama didn't look bad, but didn't have an extra-base hit all night...just slapped opposite-field singles in unspectacular fashion.

Which may have been the smart way for Obama to go at this point. Don't go into a shell, but don't swing for the fences and pop-up on the infield either.

 

[writing irish]

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Obama didn't look bad, but didn't have an extra-base hit all night...just slapped opposite-field singles in unspectacular fashion.

Which may have been the smart way for Obama to go at this point. Don't go into a shell, but don't swing for the fences and pop-up on the infield either.

Good point. Agree with 21 that he seemed tired, though. A notch below his usual level of energy.

 

[markvid]

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The Clinton Brothers take it to a new level.

I'd be annoyed if a Clinton accused me of cheating, too, and had to sit there and defend myself against the biggest fake and liar we've ever seen.

Chrissakes. We get it already. You hate anything with the letters N-O-T-N-I-L-C. ::)

re: bolded phrase ... please tell me you weren't alive during Nixon's term. Let's be a little more realistic here.

I was only 6 when he quit.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

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re: bolded phrase ... please tell me you weren't alive during Nixon's term. Let's be a little more realistic here.

Would you call him the biggest fake you've ever seen? I wouldn't. And not just because I'm too young to have seen him.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

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re: bolded phrase ... please tell me you weren't alive during Nixon's term. Let's be a little more realistic here.

Would you call him the biggest fake you've ever seen? I wouldn't. And not just because I'm too young to have seen him.

No, he wasn't fake. You got me there.

Is it hypertechnical to point out that half of the description that you attributed to him as the worst of our generation didn't apply to him at all?

 

[Boom_70]

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May have to give slight edge to HRC, IMO.

Agree. BO seemed a little tired, almost annoyed. Hillary did very well. Maybe too late, but still a good showing.

It was her dark suit that gave her a more serious look although when she stood up suit had a bit of Captain Kangaroo quality.

 

[markvid]

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re: bolded phrase ... please tell me you weren't alive during Nixon's term. Let's be a little more realistic here.

Would you call him the biggest fake you've ever seen? I wouldn't. And not just because I'm too young to have seen him.

No, he wasn't fake. You got me there.

Is it hypertechnical to point out that half of the description that you attributed to him as the worst of our generation didn't apply to him at all?

I think it's beside the point, yes. To say that either of the Clintons have worse personal or professional ethics (for lack of a better catch-all term ...) than Nixon when comparing politicians of the last generation is fallacious, at best. It's an absurd claim, and speaks only to Markvid's ill regard of the former (but hopefully not his unfamiliarity with the latter).

Ok, claims to be a lifelong Yankees fan, and a lifelong Cubs fan, and now a Giants fan.
Nah, she's not a fake.

 

[markvid]

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Ok, claims to be a lifelong Yankees fan, and a lifelong Cubs fan, and now a Giants fan.
Nah, she's not a fake.

I didn't say she wasn't a lair and a fake. All politicians are.

I said you're taking the hatred to kind of disturbing levels.

Hatred? Disturbing?
I don't want her dead, just not leading this country.
Or a PTA, for that matter.