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txsportsscribe said:
ROOM 548, YONKERS HILTON -- Tiki Barber talked too much today.
ROOM 548, YONKERS HILTON -- Tiki Barber talked too much today.
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shotglass said:
AP's gone back and forth on it. And good luck finding a consistent style statewide. We still use UP as the dateline.
Boston College is another one that falls in this realm. Alumni Stadium is on land in two municipalities at least. It may be three, although I don't think any of the stadium itself actually lies in Newton. Hence the "Chestnut Hill" dateline, even though Chestnut Hill isn't an incorporated community.
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University Park is not an incorporated borough or township.
Technically, Beaver Stadium and the Jordan Center are not in State College borough; they are in College Township or Ferguson Township, if you wish to get nitpicky. (I don't carry around a Centre<cq> County, Pa., atlas, so I couldn't tell you where the border falls.)
Technically, Beaver Stadium and the Jordan Center are not in State College borough; they are in College Township or Ferguson Township, if you wish to get nitpicky. (I don't carry around a Centre<cq> County, Pa., atlas, so I couldn't tell you where the border falls.)
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beaver & bryce jordan are in College Townshipwicked said:
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we always just go with municipality, no exceptions. just to be consistent
at my first paper, i just started, and I picked up a detailed local map to sort everything out
was covering a HS football game and saw on the map that the field, right across the street from the high school, was actually not in the same municipality as the high school but in a large bordering township. there were cops from both at the game, so I asked them and they confirmed that, yeah, Portboro High School 's football is actually not in Portboro but in Groversfield Township.
i datelined Groversfield Township and got yelled at by my SE. he changed it. too confusing
screw confusing. how 'bout being correct?
at my first paper, i just started, and I picked up a detailed local map to sort everything out
was covering a HS football game and saw on the map that the field, right across the street from the high school, was actually not in the same municipality as the high school but in a large bordering township. there were cops from both at the game, so I asked them and they confirmed that, yeah, Portboro High School 's football is actually not in Portboro but in Groversfield Township.
i datelined Groversfield Township and got yelled at by my SE. he changed it. too confusing
screw confusing. how 'bout being correct?
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At the Super Bowl several years back, all of the media events were taking place in Fort Lauderdale that day, but our desk was insisting on a Miami dateline. We all filed Fort Lauderdale datelines and all were changed.
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Apex said:
I don't know if this is legit or urban myth or what, though I'm pretty sure it's real: Apparently Wake Forest used to BE in Wake Forest. Recruiters would sell prospective students on the beauty of the WFU campus ... by taking them to Duke. Then when they were admitted and headed for school ... YOU GOT PWN3D.
I think there's a Bojangles in Wake Forest now.
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Reminds me ... one high school that I used to cover, the high school athletic fields out back were in another town. Got some curious comments about using the "proper" dateline in stories.
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Yep, Wake Forest University used to be in Wake Forest. For those of you not familiar to N.C., that's in the eastern part of Wake County, good 1/2 hour east of Raleigh and N.C. State.
The story I was told when I moved here years ago was that some businessmen in Winston-Salem wanted a college, so built a campus then lured Wake Forest away.
I've driven by the old campus many times. It's not nearly as bad as Mystery Meat makes it out to be. But it's not good either.
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A few years ago, I covered the local af2 team in CITY A. When they went on the road, I would write a "pre-" story to run the day of the away game and my editor would dateline it for being from the city where CITY A was playing.
Personally, I loved it.....I understood some might not like it, but I loved it.
What do editors think of that?
Personally, I loved it.....I understood some might not like it, but I loved it.
What do editors think of that?
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BNWriter said:
Seriously, you should NEVER do that. It's tantamount to lying to your readers. That dateline tells people that's where you are. If you're not there, then it's totally and unequivocally wrong. Not even a question.
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This guy asks for the next question.
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shotglass said:This guy asks for the next question.
that would be dateline MOORESTOWN
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Appgrad05 said:
Not just "some" businessmen ... it was the fine folks at RJR Tobacco. The Reynolds family basically built a campus in Winston-Salem, N.C., then lured away Wake Forest University from its original location in Wake Forest, N.C. I've never been to the old campus, but spent, oh, about four years at the new campus. And I can say without a doubt that no recruiters have to take prospective students to Duke anymore. Wake's campus is one of the prettiest in the South.
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To get back to some of the original points, you should NEVER dateline a story unless you were actually there. Not sure how I can emphasize that more.
When I first started writing I didn't know any better, so I datelined EVERYTHING. I thought it would help the readers and be informative. My editor quickly pointed out that you don't get a dateline if you were never physically at that location.
And moving backward, I think you dateline the city/municipality where the school or athletic fields are located. Therefore, Stanford is in Palo Alto, Ole Miss is in Oxford, Notre Dame is in South Bend, etc. Just because the University incorporates itself to get its own mailing address and zip code doesn't make that its actual location.
When I first started writing I didn't know any better, so I datelined EVERYTHING. I thought it would help the readers and be informative. My editor quickly pointed out that you don't get a dateline if you were never physically at that location.
And moving backward, I think you dateline the city/municipality where the school or athletic fields are located. Therefore, Stanford is in Palo Alto, Ole Miss is in Oxford, Notre Dame is in South Bend, etc. Just because the University incorporates itself to get its own mailing address and zip code doesn't make that its actual location.
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Just so I'm clear on this. Say I've covered a Saturday afternoon game on the road. I write my second-day on the airplane on the way home. Dateline or no?
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Depends.
Is it all stuff you compiled at the scene? Dateline.
End of the week note dump, follow/preview? No dateline.
Is it all stuff you compiled at the scene? Dateline.
End of the week note dump, follow/preview? No dateline.
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shotglass said:
no dateline if there's no availability the day you write it
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Wow.
I've come to appreciate the sanctity of the dateline, in no small part because of this board. But man, if you're drawing lines like that ... no offense, but THAT sounds more anal than common-sense.
Dateline is to indicate you were at the event, right? Well, say I was at the event, and that's where I collected all the quotes and the information. This would seem no different to me than covering a game, driving back to the office and using the dateline of where I was.
I've come to appreciate the sanctity of the dateline, in no small part because of this board. But man, if you're drawing lines like that ... no offense, but THAT sounds more anal than common-sense.
Dateline is to indicate you were at the event, right? Well, say I was at the event, and that's where I collected all the quotes and the information. This would seem no different to me than covering a game, driving back to the office and using the dateline of where I was.
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