Tim Tebow: Fraud?

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

It should be pointed out to Tebow haters that Orton and Quinn (both QB's in the traditional mold) would have led Denver to 5 wins last year tops. Tebow brought them to the playoffs and a win against Pittsburgh.

I could actually see New England making room on the roster for him. There would be no QB controversy because Brady is a God and McDaniels and Belichick could find ways to let Tebow help the team win.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Having watched him play quarterback the last couple years, Tim Tebow isn't in position to give an Arena League teams usage ultimatums, let alone the New York Jets.

In "the last couple years", Tebow's teams are:

1) 7-12 in games in which he does not start; and

2) 8-5 in games in which he does start, and that includes an upset playoff victory over a heavily favored Steeler team.

All the ridiculing of his screwy throwing motion and what a horror show he supposedly is as a passer neglects one inconvenient fact: his teams do better when he plays. And always have, in high school, college and the NFL. Say what you want about his arm, but nobody can deny the guy's record as a flat out winner.

But look at what Denver's done after him.

 

[Songbird]

I like Tebow, and I wish they would have started him and made this year's offense 80% run: Power run. Power option. Power sweep. Power everything. I thought that was the whole point of bringing him in -- not just be there to light a fire under Sanchez's ass. Sure, the Tebow Plan would've made for some ugly 10-7 or 13-10 games, but he is built to handle the ball 60-70 times a game and built to tank over people.

Greene, Powell and Tebow could have been a fun (in a bulldozing kind of way) backfield for Ryan's Ground and Pound.

And then if Tebow gets hurt or just sucks after 6 starts, bring in Sanchez.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

Can I make this racial and imagine the response if a young black QB had reportedly refused to do his job because he wasn't happy about PT decisions?

I hate the THATS RAYCESS attitude about most everything on this board, but I am surprised most people on this board are giving Tebow a pass on this (whether racial or not).

Dude is getting paid $2 million dollars this year to play football. Since when do players get a pass for opting out of a package he doesn't like? My guess is he's cashing his check this week.

Randall Cobb reportedly asked not to return kicks any more and I don't have an issue with that, either.

Todd Sauerbrun once refused to serve as the backup kicker for the Panthers when Kasay got hurt because he was upset over being fined for being overweight.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

I like Tebow, and I wish they would have started him and made this year's offense 80% run: Power run. Power option. Power sweep. Power everything. I thought that was the whole point of bringing him in -- not just be there to light a fire under Sanchez's ass. Sure, the Tebow Plan would've made for some ugly 10-7 or 13-10 games, but he is built to handle the ball 60-70 times a game and built to tank over people.

Greene, Powell and Tebow could have been a fun (in a bulldozing kind of way) backfield for Ryan's Ground and Pound.

And then if Tebow gets hurt or just sucks after 6 starts, bring in Sanchez.

Except then they'd have to change up the offense to fit Sanchez.

 

[LongTimeListener]

But look at what Denver's done after him.

I can't even tell you how hard I'm going to laugh if the Broncos lose their first playoff game. But I'm guessing you figured that.

 

[Songbird]

I like Tebow, and I wish they would have started him and made this year's offense 80% run: Power run. Power option. Power sweep. Power everything. I thought that was the whole point of bringing him in -- not just be there to light a fire under Sanchez's ass. Sure, the Tebow Plan would've made for some ugly 10-7 or 13-10 games, but he is built to handle the ball 60-70 times a game and built to tank over people.

Greene, Powell and Tebow could have been a fun (in a bulldozing kind of way) backfield for Ryan's Ground and Pound.

And then if Tebow gets hurt or just sucks after 6 starts, bring in Sanchez.

Except then they'd have to change up the offense to fit Sanchez.

At that point you just tell Sanchez to hand it off and shut his mouth.

 

[MileHigh]

It was a complete smoke-and-mirrors show last year. Anyone watching it week in and week out knew the approach could not be sustained. And had Tebow stayed this year, the Broncos are only winning five games.

 

[Dick Whitman]

But look at what Denver's done after him.

I can't even tell you how hard I'm going to laugh if the Broncos lose their first playoff game. But I'm guessing you figured that.

I'm finding the nearest Grotto the night before that game.

 

[printit]

Rex Ryan is an above average coach. No one was winning with this years Jets team, especially after Revis got hurt. If the Jets fire him they are making a mistake.

I could go either way on the Tebow thing, although it seems a tad hypocritical that he was mad about being bypassed on the depth chart when Denver bypassed Brady Quinn on the depth chart to give Tebow the QB job last year. But I understand the frustration on his part, so I dunno.....

 

[heyabbott]

Can I make this racial and imagine the response if a young black QB had reportedly refused to do his job because he wasn't happy about PT decisions?

if you do that you also have to ask what a colossal racial **** storm would have occurred had a young clean cut black QB led a team to the playoffs and a heroic OT win , only to be discarded for an aging injured white star. And then take a bench seat behind Mark Sanchez, a Tony Romo wannabe

 

[Riptide]

Tebow's had four or five years now to lose that big windup and get ready for the pros. Bryce Brown is getting the same kind of lesson, but his challenge is to quit waving the ball around with one hand while taking on tacklers. Brown has better upside than Tebow, but they're both idiots if they can't help their own causes by working hard to fix their flaws.

Can they not see that? Is it that hard? They can't get that NFL money somewhere else.

 

[HejiraHenry]

Having watched him play quarterback the last couple years, Tim Tebow isn't in position to give an Arena League teams usage ultimatums, let alone the New York Jets.

In "the last couple years", Tebow's teams are:

1) 7-12 in games in which he does not start; and

2) 8-5 in games in which he does start, and that includes an upset playoff victory over a heavily favored Steeler team.

All the ridiculing of his screwy throwing motion and what a horror show he supposedly is as a passer neglects one inconvenient fact: his teams do better when he plays. And always have, in high school, college and the NFL. Say what you want about his arm, but nobody can deny the guy's record as a flat out winner.

But look at what Denver's done after him.

Well, Jesus, they went and got Peyton Manning. That's an extreme outlier in any sort of replacement scenario.

 

[RickStain]

Can I make this racial and imagine the response if a young black QB had reportedly refused to do his job because he wasn't happy about PT decisions?

if you do that you also have to ask what a colossal racial **** storm would have occurred had a young clean cut black QB led a team to the playoffs and a heroic OT win , only to be discarded for an aging injured white star. And then take a bench seat behind Mark Sanchez, a Tony Romo wannabe

"led"

 

[Starman]

Starting at QB for your 2014 Hamilton Tiger-Cats, No. 15....

 

[Stoney]

Starting at QB for your 2014 Hamilton Tiger-Cats, No. 15....

Impossible. Never in a million years. Just ask JR.

 

[hondo]

As a Vol fanboi, it pains me to say this, but Tim Tebow is a winner. He proved that in spades at Florida, and he proved it last year in Denver.

There is noting about the Jets organization -- from the players, to the coaches, to the management -- that says they are winners.

I'll side with Tebow on this one.

I've changed my attitude on this, mainly because Tebow has had his chances and hasn't delivered. And I know one of the Jets beat hacks and he still hasn't improved his fundamentals a bit in training camp and practice.

Two other things: 1. Elway couldn't wait to drop him when the chance to get Manning came along and 2. Ryan may not be a lot of things as a coach, but as prone to unusual and even rash decisions, I would have thought he'd have started Tebow at least a couple of times by now if he had a shred of confidence over what he's seen in practice.

Also, please stop with this "Tebow's a winner" horse****. He's 1-4 in his last five starts. Denver had an 8-5 record (thanks to the defense and Matt Prater, and Tebow lost three in a row and couldn't put more than 7 points on the board against the crappy Chiefs. They backed into the playoffs, then beat the Steelers on a winning TD pass that was 10 percent Tebow and 90 percent Demarius Thomas. Next week, Brady took him to the woodshed.

Tebow was a winner in high school in college. He is not a winner in the NFL. At best, he's a halfway decent game manager.

 

[hondo]

I think the Jets were desperately looking for a reason to be able to sell getting rid of Tebow. I don't know if that is to the owner, the fans, the media or all of the above, but it is interesting how something that seems pretty minor leaks out...

They traded for him. They told him how he was going to be used. They never even came close to honoring that. I don't think anyone on the coaching staff had any intention of honoring that.

There's no reason why Tebow should not have been given a chance at QB this season. If he fails, fine... Players opt out of **** all the time, and wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Tebow was out with a rib injury?

I just think that, like with all things Tebow, too much is being made of this. I want to see the guy play. If he succeeds, great... If he fails, great... Let him go somewhere where he'll be given a chance to do one or the other, and if nobody wants him, let him go do it in Canada.

Isn't it possible that they told him he was going to be used, then stunk it up so bad in training camp and practices that they didn't dare play him?
Promises of playing time depend on performance. Coaches play they guys they have confidence in. That comes with what they see in practice.

 

[hondo]

Having watched him play quarterback the last couple years, Tim Tebow isn't in position to give an Arena League teams usage ultimatums, let alone the New York Jets.

In "the last couple years", Tebow's teams are:

1) 7-12 in games in which he does not start; and

2) 8-5 in games in which he does start, and that includes an upset playoff victory over a heavily favored Steeler team.

All the ridiculing of his screwy throwing motion and passing skills neglects one inconvenient fact: his teams do better when he plays. And always have, at every level. Say what you want about his arm, but nobody can deny the guy's record as a flat out winner.

1-4 in his last five starts and 8-5 in games he's started do not make him a "flat-out winner," unless your standards of a winner are 8-8 and 9-7 records.

 

[Stoney]

Having watched him play quarterback the last couple years, Tim Tebow isn't in position to give an Arena League teams usage ultimatums, let alone the New York Jets.

In "the last couple years", Tebow's teams are:

1) 7-12 in games in which he does not start; and

2) 8-5 in games in which he does start, and that includes an upset playoff victory over a heavily favored Steeler team.

All the ridiculing of his screwy throwing motion and passing skills neglects one inconvenient fact: his teams do better when he plays. And always have, at every level. Say what you want about his arm, but nobody can deny the guy's record as a flat out winner.

1-4 in his last five starts and 8-5 in games he's started do not make him a "flat-out winner," unless your standards of a winner are 8-8 and 9-7 records.

I'm sorry, how does 8-5 = 8-8? I missed that fuzzy math class.

And, as long as Tebow continues to have a winning record as a starter, and as long as his teams continue to perform better in the games when he starts than the games when he doesn't, I'm gonna continue to call him a winner. One of the winningest players in college football history, two college national championship rings, plus a Florida HS state championship ring, plus a winning record as an NFL starter=flat out winner in my book.

Now when his NFL starting record drops below .500, I'll be willing to re-visit that position. But that ain't happened yet.