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Huckabee and Jindal demonstrate that being crazy doesn't mean you always act crazy. I can't imagine how anyone would consider either of them to be people that should run this country.

Okay, I can see crazy people thinking that they should run the country, but nobody else.
 
Re Webb: I understand the baggage he carries re his views on women and the military...but he brings some items to the table that could help Obama. First of all, a woman might still have to ponder: Will McCain and the Republicans be any better on women's issues? Dubious at best. Moreover and crucially, Webb's military resume undercuts the argument that the McCain forces will make about Obama's military inexperience.

Webb is also a white male Southerner, which might help in a couple of spots.

Virginia has a Democratic governor, Tim Kaine, so if Webb would become Veep, Kaine could appoint a Democrat (maybe himself) to succeed him. Kaine himself, an early Obama supporter, has also been mentioned as a Veep possibility.
 
Bru said:
Re Webb: I understand the baggage he carries re his views on women and the military...but he brings some items to the table that could help Obama. First of all, a woman might still have to ponder: Will McCain and the Republicans be any better on women's issues? Dubious at best. Moreover and crucially, Webb's military resume undercuts the argument that the McCain forces will make about Obama's military inexperience.

Webb is also a white male Southerner, which might help in a couple of spots.

Virginia has a Democratic governor, Tim Kaine, so if Webb would become Veep, Kaine could appoint a Democrat (maybe himself) to succeed him. Kaine himself, an early Obama supporter, has also been mentioned as a Veep possibility.

Yeah, but you can't expect women to think straight when they're all emotional.
 
Does anyone REALLY think that many of Hillary's supporters will stonewall Obama come election day, or the conservative base to McCain? They may not be crazy about the choices, but they're super not crazy about the other guy. And we've marginalized third parties and their voters enough that unless there's a superstar in that mix, they're not going to be a port in the storm. And I don't think Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin and Cynthia McKinney's going to break through.
 
It appears as if the "agent of change" is seriously considering dusting off career politician (whose career ended like a decade ago) **** Gephardt and putting him on the ticket.

Are we this devoid of good people to run this country that we constantly fall back on the same relics all the time?
 
zagoshe said:
It appears as if the "agent of change" is seriously considering dusting off career politician (whose career ended like a decade ago) **** Gephardt and putting him on the ticket.

Are we this devoid of good people to run this country that we constantly fall back on the same relics all the time?


On Intrade, no bidder is willing to take less than 19-1 on the guy. But if you want to hit the available offers, you can get plenty of 10-1, right now.
 
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zagoshe said:
It appears as if the "agent of change" is seriously considering dusting off career politician (whose career ended like a decade ago) **** Gephardt and putting him on the ticket.

Are we this devoid of good people to run this country that we constantly fall back on the same relics all the time?

Nice try, but it won't be Gephardt.
 
rico_the_redneck said:
Another governor that I had forgotten: Brian Schweitzer of Montana would be a great pick for Obama from what I've seen of him. Seems to have that NASCAR dad appeal Mark Warner was/is famous for. Could he deliver Montana? Don't know. But I would think he would be a big help with the rural white male in general.

And Schweitzer seems to match up on policy (especially energy) so they would be on the same page.
 
rico_the_redneck said:
Another governor that I had forgotten: Brian Schweitzer of Montana would be a great pick for Obama from what I've seen of him. Seems to have that NASCAR dad appeal Mark Warner was/is famous for. Could he deliver Montana? Don't know. But I would think he would be a big help with the rural white male in general.

I never liked Daschle all that much when he was majority leader ... I like Daschle as WH Chief of Staff in the Obama Administration.
As long as he leaves his damn dog at home. Everywhere Schweitzer goes, meetings, speeches, wherever, he takes his Labrador with him. Then I'm not sure if a VP has ever gotten away with always wearing a bollo tie.
He does seem to have the graduation-speaking circuit down to a science, though
http://laughing-stalk.blogspot.com/2008/05/very-special-commencement-speech.html
He does it every year at all the state colleges and a lot of the high schools. Not sure if that's normal for a governor to do, but it never really seems, from what I've heard, like he's repeating himself much. VPs make a lot of speeches and shake a lot of hands typically unless you're deadeye ****. I think it would be a good pick for Obama. Montana's on the fence, it might help get him those three Electoral College votes!
 
zagoshe said:
It appears as if the "agent of change" is seriously considering dusting off career politician (whose career ended like a decade ago) **** Gephardt and putting him on the ticket.

Are we this devoid of good people to run this country that we constantly fall back on the same relics all the time?

Maybe Obama's hoping to win the votes of all those imaginary friends Gephardt was always talking about.
 
Charlie Crist wants the job bad enough to "get engaged" for it - wait and see what happens if he's not on the ticket.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/state/article659439.ece
 
I can just see the snide Republican comments -- "Christ on one ticket, Crist on the other."
 
sportschick said:
spinning27 said:
Elton John was married once too.

So was Rock Hudson.

Man, Susan Saint James was smoking hot in "McMillan and Wife." I guess she wasn't really married to Rock, though.
 
Interesting cut and paste of an article on the process of picking a Veep.......


VP picks: Gore, or somebody like him
by Paul West


Before he reinvented government, Al Gore revolutionized the way vice presidents are made.

When he joined Bill Clinton's ticket, it violated the old rules. Regional diversity? Not with two southerners from neighboring states. Ideological balance? A couple of left-of-center moderates. Age? Both younger than Barack Obama is today.

And yet, Gore is widely regarded by strategists in both parties as the best vice-presidential pick in at least 20 years.

"Everything about that ticket communicated change," say Michael Feldman, who worked in the campaign and became a senior Gore aide. "In an election that was very much about change, it was a winning combination."

Change is in the air again this year. Does that mean John McCain and Obama can -or should-- come up with a Gore-like choice?

If they do, it will be a surprise.

"A big part of the Gore success in '92 was that it had such a large element of surprise," says Scott Reed, who managed the Dole-Kemp campaign four years later.

Handlers for Obama and McCain are trying to lower expectations and keep a lid on the process. They want to preserve the element of surprise when the announcements are made--perhaps not until late summer, just before the national conventions.

Obama "doesn't have a lot of good choices," insisted a top campaign aide, with a straight face. The Republican line: Our party's bench is very thin this season.

There are a few rules for choosing running mates: First, do no harm to your election chances. Second, pick someone who could take over as president. Third, get a compatible partner you can work with every day.

An inspired choice would generate a "wow factor" for the campaign. And that would advance the political goals: energizing supporters, making voters take a fresh look at the nominee and, if necessary, changing the dynamic of the election.

Getting someone who'd also help win a swing state would be "kind of a side benefit," according to David Plouffe, manager of Obama's campaign. He pointed out that **** Cheney, whose selection as George W. Bush's running mate was widely praised at the time, comes from one of the safest Republican states in the country.

By now, it's fair to say that somewhere, online or in print, the eventual running mates for both parties have already been identified, and analyzed in depth.

One Democrat drawing attention lately as a Gore-like VP pick is Gore himself.

The case for Gore goes something like this: He's become an outsider but still knows how Washington works. He's got impeccable credentials on global issues, from climate change to national defense. That argument, however, overlooks the fact that, having done the job for eight years, he's extremely unlikely to want it again.

One intriguing possibility, if Obama doesn't target a single state or try to amplify the change message: Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island. That state's four reliably Democratic electoral votes aren't in doubt and Reed is unknown nationally, but he could help Obama in several ways.

He's a Catholic with working-class roots (his father was a school janitor), and could enhance the ticket's appeal to those swing voters. He has expertise on issues at the center of the campaign debate, economics and the housing crisis.

More important, he would offset Obama's lack of national security experience. Reed, 58, has a reputation as a serious thinker and is a respected voice on defense matters. He's a West Point graduate and Army Ranger, with views that are right in line with Obama's. He voted against the 2002 Iraq war resolution and became an early critic of the way the war was fought while working to increase the size of the Army.


He's got an attractive wife and toddler at home, which might produce the sort of family tableau that boosted the Clinton-Gore ticket (Reed met his future wife, a Senate staffer, on an official trip to Afghanistan with McCain).

Like Obama, he's got a Harvard Law degree and spent time teaching at the college level (West Point). The two men are reported to have a good personal relationship.

Reed isn't flashy, and he wouldn't upstage the star. If he joins Obama's upcoming visit to Iraq (it would be Reed's 12th since the war began), his running-mate stock could soar.

For McCain, the underdog, the electoral map may dictate a more conventional running mate.

That's why Mitt Romney has emerged as a consensus VP pick. He could help the ticket in many ways, including in the key state of Michigan, where he's got family ties.

But McCain doesn't like him. And for a guy who values his buddies much more than most politicians, the idea of having Mitt right down the hall for the next four or eight years could be extremely hard for McCain to swallow.

An alternate possibility: Rob Portman. A former congressman from Ohio--a must-win state for Republicans--he's got expertise where McCain is weak, on economics. He's been the nation's budget director and top trade negotiator. He's well-liked by members of both parties in Congress, where he once worked as a White House lobbyist, and could help smooth over relations between a President McCain and his former colleagues on Capitol Hill.

His biggest liabilities are his long and deep Bush connections (he served both the current president and his father). Portman bailed out of the White House last summer, with an eye toward re-entering politics. At 52, he'd inject some youthful energy into the Republican ticket.

If Portman's Bush ties are too much to overcome, McCain could turn to a longshot who has escaped national attention: Gov. Jon Huntsman Jr. of Utah, 48, a popular politician with business and foreign policy experience and a good personal relationship with McCain. He went against Romney and the Mormon church to endorse McCain early, then stuck with him during the darkest hours of the primary fight.

A former ambassador to Singapore who worked in the Reagan White House, Huntsman is the son of a petrochemical billionaire, the wealthiest man in Utah--as reliably Republican as Rhode Island is Democratic, and with almost as few electoral votes.

On a personal level, Huntsman and McCain both have adopted children from Asia (Huntsman's are from China and India; McCain's is from Bangladesh). Their moderate-conservative political views are in synch, and Huntsman has gone out of his way to praise McCain's stance on immigration reform.

Their states share a border, so McCain and Huntsman, a pair of westerners, would offer voters neither ideological balance nor geographic diversity. An unlikely pairing, it would seem.

Sort of like Clinton and Gore.
 
Obama-Bayh kind of accomplishes the same thing, a pairing of young guys from neighboring states who are not Washington insiders.
 
Two points:

(1) After Fredo's campaign thugs screwed McCain nineteen ways to Sunday eight years ago, last thing John should do is cave in to those same party hacks and suck up Flipper as VP.

(2) I'm neutral about Bayh. He doesn't move me.

He doesn't move anyone else, either. This VP trial balloon is getting really, really old,
and you can count those who care in a jiffy.
 
HUGE move on Chuck Hagel on Intrade . . . now solid second choice for Dem VP, close behind HRC . . .
 

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