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I wrote a blog about a text conversation I had with the funniest person I've ever met. I'm a typical cynical sports writer, so you can imagine it was pretty good. Basically, it was one long joke that Internet Trolls misunderstood. They trashed me and my shop.

Long story short, my publisher took down the blog (getting censored is a separate rant I'm afraid to start for the fear I may never stop) because he didn't want people saying bad things about me or our paper (I really could not care less what people say about me).

I responded to one particular Troll, who sent me an e-mail that began "You are a moron," and told him that he misunderstood my blog, that it wasn't a news story; it was a blog. Just two friends ribbing each other. He e-mailed me back and said, "No, it was a news story."

Pause for a minute to grasp that concept from all its angles.

Because in a day and age where ESPN airs segments called Cold Hard Facts that have nothing but opinions, people literally don't know the difference between news and opinion. They think Stephen A. Smith yelling at them about who is going to win the next NBA series is news.

So I wrote a column explaining the difference between news and blogs, explaining how they're different worlds, blah, blah, blah.

STILL, I got an e-mail from someone who had been following this closely, and he told me my blog was news. So not only are non-journalists telling me, a journalist, what is and what isn't news, I'm telling people what my intentions were, and they're telling me, "No, this was your intention."

My fear is that I fell asleep 10 years ago and woke up in a society that no longer understands, or really seems to care about, what the truth is. And to me, the potential ramifications of that are enough to try and land a job teaching English in a foreign country.

Love to hear some thoughts
 
editorhoo said:
I wrote a blog about a text conversation I had with the funniest person I've ever met. I'm a typical cynical sports writer, so you can imagine it was pretty good. Basically, it was one long joke that Internet Trolls misunderstood. They trashed me and my shop.

Long story short, my publisher took down the blog (getting censored is a separate rant I'm afraid to start for the fear I may never stop) because he didn't want people saying bad things about me or our paper (I really could not care less what people say about me).

I responded to one particular Cumdumpster, who sent me an e-mail that began "You are a moron," and told him that he misunderstood my blog, that it wasn't a news story; it was a blog. Just two friends ribbing each other. He e-mailed me back and said, "No, it was a news story."

Pause for a minute to grasp that concept from all its angles.

Because in a day and age where ESPN airs segments called Cold Hard Facts that have nothing but opinions, people literally don't know the difference between news and opinion. They think Stephen A. Smith yelling at them about who is going to win the next NBA series is news.

So I wrote a column explaining the difference between news and blogs, explaining how they're different worlds, blah, blah, blah.

STILL, I got an e-mail from someone who had been following this closely, and he told me my blog was news. So not only are non-journalists telling me, a journalist, what is and what isn't news, I'm telling people what my intentions were, and they're telling me, "No, this was your intention."

My fear is that I fell asleep 10 years ago and woke up in a society that no longer understands, or really seems to care about, what the truth is. And to me, the potential ramifications of that are enough to try and land a job teaching English in a foreign country.

Love to hear some thoughts

You are a moron.
 
I saw the Cumdumpsters open for Aerosmith and Winger back in the day.

Great show.
 
It's always good to keep in mind that the instant you have written something, anything, and have put it out for public consumption, your control over what it means has ended - the writer is not the dictator of meaning - that is for the readers to decide. You can disagree with their conclusions but you can't dispute them. If they come to a conclusion you disagree with, it may be because they're stupid, but it may also be because you have not written clearly enough to lead them to the conslusion you intended.
 
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Write-brained said:
editorhoo said:
I wrote a blog about a text conversation I had with the funniest person I've ever met. I'm a typical cynical sports writer, so you can imagine it was pretty good. Basically, it was one long joke that Internet Trolls misunderstood. They trashed me and my shop.

Long story short, my publisher took down the blog (getting censored is a separate rant I'm afraid to start for the fear I may never stop) because he didn't want people saying bad things about me or our paper (I really could not care less what people say about me).

I responded to one particular Cumdumpster, who sent me an e-mail that began "You are a moron," and told him that he misunderstood my blog, that it wasn't a news story; it was a blog. Just two friends ribbing each other. He e-mailed me back and said, "No, it was a news story."

Pause for a minute to grasp that concept from all its angles.

Because in a day and age where ESPN airs segments called Cold Hard Facts that have nothing but opinions, people literally don't know the difference between news and opinion. They think Stephen A. Smith yelling at them about who is going to win the next NBA series is news.

So I wrote a column explaining the difference between news and blogs, explaining how they're different worlds, blah, blah, blah.

STILL, I got an e-mail from someone who had been following this closely, and he told me my blog was news. So not only are non-journalists telling me, a journalist, what is and what isn't news, I'm telling people what my intentions were, and they're telling me, "No, this was your intention."

My fear is that I fell asleep 10 years ago and woke up in a society that no longer understands, or really seems to care about, what the truth is. And to me, the potential ramifications of that are enough to try and land a job teaching English in a foreign country.

Love to hear some thoughts

You are a moron.

Yeah, nobody saw that one coming.
Long fly, deep left field...
 
Editorhoo: I share your fear. The team I cover has a website that posts all the stories written about the team from various papers, and allows viewers to comment. At least three-fourths of the comments betray no capacity for rational thought, let alone the capacity to discern fact from opinion.
But I do get e-mails from actual thinking, noninsane people, here and there. Those keep me going, however pathetic that might sound.
 
Reading comprehension is pitifully poor in this country. People will read something and come to the complete opposite conclusion than what is implied. It's scary.

The news/opinion distinction is way, way over their heads. They read facts that disagree with their own outlook as opinion, and opinion that agrees with theirs as "fact." With the spin some beat writers put on, maybe they're not completely wrong. But I digress.
 
People have always been idiots. It's just easier for them to communicate with us now thanks to the internet.

If it helps any, one expression can help get you through the day -- Suffer Fools Gladly.

And remember, if you don't, they win.
 
In theory (and I don't agree with it), my news director says the working definition of news is "new information" so even a blog would be considered "news" to some people if it's new to others.

Again, I don't agree with that definition, but he says it's the widespread definition of news.
 
^^^spup1122
Hate to get nitpicky, but your avatar should read "BROS BEFORE HO'S" instead of "BROS BEFORE ***S" -- unless you're equating Hillary with a handheld farming utensil. :)
 
In Exile said:
It's always good to keep in mind that the instant you have written something, anything, and have put it out for public consumption, your control over what it means has ended - the writer is not the dictator of meaning - that is for the readers to decide. You can disagree with their conclusions but you can't dispute them. If they come to a conclusion you disagree with, it may be because they're stupid, but it may also be because you have not written clearly enough to lead them to the conslusion you intended.

I agree with that line of thinking, because I was taught that whenever you write something and someone misunderstands it, it's your fault because you didn't communicate properly. I get that.

But I also understand there is only one hard-line truth in life — death. By that, I mean there are exceptions to every rule.

I do believe my blog that got censored is an exception, because I began the blog by explaining this was a text conversation between me and a friend and people still didn't get it. Plus, even after I EXPLAINED my intention, I was told I was wrong. Seriously, it's not my fault half the people out there are below average intelligence.
 
fossywriter8 said:
^^^spup1122
Hate to get nitpicky, but your avatar should read "BROS BEFORE HO'S" instead of "BROS BEFORE ***S" -- unless you're equating Hillary with a handheld farming utensil. :)

SHOULD be Bros Before Hos. No possessive.
 
Mystery Meat said:
fossywriter8 said:
^^^spup1122
Hate to get nitpicky, but your avatar should read "BROS BEFORE HO'S" instead of "BROS BEFORE ***S" -- unless you're equating Hillary with a handheld farming utensil. :)

SHOULD be Bros Before Hos. No possessive.

She got the image off Busted Tees. Take it up with them. :D
 
The Good Doctor said:
Mystery Meat said:
fossywriter8 said:
^^^spup1122
Hate to get nitpicky, but your avatar should read "BROS BEFORE HO'S" instead of "BROS BEFORE ***S" -- unless you're equating Hillary with a handheld farming utensil. :)

SHOULD be Bros Before Hos. No possessive.

She got the image off Busted Tees. Take it up with them. :D

They are wrong and will burn in hell. Tshirthell.com has it wrong too, but their shirts are funny, so they get a mulligan.
 
Mystery Meat said:
fossywriter8 said:
^^^spup1122
Hate to get nitpicky, but your avatar should read "BROS BEFORE HO'S" instead of "BROS BEFORE ***S" -- unless you're equating Hillary with a handheld farming utensil. :)

SHOULD be Bros Before Hos. No possessive.
I think it actually should be 'hos, because it's a contraction.
 
editorhoo said:
I responded to one particular Troll, who sent me an e-mail that began "You are a moron," and told him that he misunderstood my blog, that it wasn't a news story; it was a blog. Just two friends ribbing each other. He e-mailed me back and said, "No, it was a news story."

I agree with your readers; I think the "just a blog" mentality is misguided. You need to respect their time. They go on to a news Web site with a purpose. As you describe your item, I don't see how it serves any purpose except to indulge your desire to write it. There's nothing wrong with that if it was on MySpace.com or something like that, but when it's attached to a news Web site, I think it's a reasonable expectation for it to be informational and reasonable for them to feel disappointed if their time has been wasted with something that isn't.
 
Babs said:
Reading comprehension is pitifully poor in this country. People will read something and come to the complete opposite conclusion than what is implied. It's scary.

The news/opinion distinction is way, way over their heads. They read facts that disagree with their own outlook as opinion, and opinion that agrees with theirs as "fact."

I honestly fear for our society because of this. More and more, people are just sheep. They have no ability to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion, something I learned in first grade.
It will only get worse for two reasons:

1. Dumb people tend to reproduce and spread their dumb genes at far greater numbers than people with brains (devolution).
2. As media become more diffuse and newspapers fail, standards of objectivity and fairness will fall, completely blurring the line between fact and opinion.
 

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