The HGH Lie?

[creamora]

This guy Matt Kolsky has no idea what he is talking about regarding blood testing for HGH. The blood test that is available for HGH is not an effective test by any means at this point. The test being used by WADA can only detect HGH in blood for about a day or so after use. There were more than one thousand tests performed at the recent World Track and Field Championships in Osaka including blood tests. How many positive blood tests for HGH do you think there were? Try zero. There were three hundred blood tests for HGH performed at the Olympic Games in Athens in 2004. How many positive blood tests for HGH do you think were there? Try zero. It's simply propaganda by WADA. It's a joke and the athletes know it. The method for testing blood for HGH has not been truly validated and published in peer reviewed scientific journals. Think about it. There has NEVER been a positive blood test for HGH at any point in time. This guy Kolsky needs to pipe down and stop looking like a fool to people who know the facts. He's making all sports journalists look bad.

The HGH Lie

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1120600111

 

[slappy4428]

My cat has kittens.

 

[Boom_70]

This guy Matt Kolsky has no idea what he is talking about regarding blood testing for HGH. The blood test that is available for HGH is not an effective test by any means at this point. The test being used by WADA can only detect HGH in blood for about a day or so after use. There were more than one thousand tests performed at the recent World Track and Field Championships in Osaka including blood tests. How many positive blood tests for HGH do you think there were? Try zero. There were three hundred blood tests for HGH performed at the Olympic Games in Athens in 2004. How many positive blood tests for HGH do you think were there? Try zero. It's simply propaganda by WADA. It's a joke and the athletes know it. The method for testing blood for HGH has not been truly validated and published in peer reviewed scientific journals. Think about it. There has NEVER been a positive blood test for HGH at any point in time. This guy Kolsky needs to pipe down and stop looking like a fool to people who know the facts. He's making all sports journalists look bad.

The HGH Lie

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1120600111

Creamora - from reading your posts you obviously have a better understanding of performance enhancing drugs than most.

Is it possible that their are professional athletes that have gotten legal prescriptions for HGH?

Is the health risk of taking HGH overblown?

 

[creamora]

Boom_70,

The real question is the following. When clueless sports journalists respond with posts such as the ones in this thread, does it even matter if I'm posting the truth? In short, I post the truth and a posse of clueless fools start showing their ignorance. However, I will continue to post educational information whether these fools get it or not. As they say, you can only teach those who are willing to learn.

 

[Bubbler]

They make fun of you, Creamora, because you're a one trick pony. No one wants to hear a shrill, one-note screamer no matter what truth they might be telling.

 

[Idaho]

The scream, too, because no matter what he says, he comes across as an apologist for cheaters.

And, as he said, you can only teach those who are willing to learn.

 

[sportschick]

Glad to see Victor's lapdog is still alive. I was worried there for a moment.

 

[Boom_70]

Boom_70,

The real question is the following. When clueless sports journalists respond with posts such as the ones in this thread, does it even matter if I'm posting the truth? In short, I post the truth and a posse of clueless fools start showing their ignorance. However, I will continue to post educational information whether these fools get it or not. As they say, you can only teach those who are willing to learn.

Creamora all well and good but you did not answer my questions which I have a genuine interest in learning the answers.

 

[Boom_70]

I've seen the horrors, horrors that you've seen. But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me - you have a right to do that - but you have no right to judge me.

 

[creamora]

Bubbler,

I could care less what some of these fools here think. I routinely talk with sports journalists and it amazes me how uninformed they are as a whole regarding PED's.


Boom_70,

Yes, it is relatively easy for an athlete to get a prescription for HGH from a physician practicing anti-aging and longevity medicine. There are thousands of them throughout the US. The problem with a pharmacy like Signature in Orlando is that some of the patients involved did not have a face to face office visit with the ordering physician. This is basically what made some of the activity involved illegal regarding the internet sales of HGH and other PED's. Many drugs such as HGH are used for "off label" purposes at the discretion of a physician and often times this is legal. However, there must be a face to face meeting between the physician and patient and all acceptable medical procedures and policies must be followed.

Like anything else, too much of something is often as bad as not enough. For example, too much water will kill you. HGH must be used responsibly or it can cause adverse health effects including insulin resistance. In short, HGH should only be used under the supervision of a knowledgable physician. I'm certainly certainly not suggesting any type of recommendations here. However, it's my understanding that, in general, if a male uses 4 units of HGH or less on a three times per week basis (a total of 12 units per week) and takes a one week break at the end of each month, they are not likely to experience side effects.

In addition, it has been reported that many anti-aging physicians prescribe HGH as follows: One unit per day for women and two units per day for men. Six days on and one day off per week.

Hope this information has been of interest.

 

[black dude with pompano]

I think it was GQ (or a similar magazine) that did a story in which the writer legally obtained a prescription for HGH and raved about its positive effects.

On another topic... On the subject of steroids...here's the funny thing: THEY WORK! SUPERBLY! Obviously, steroids are against the rules of sport (for now). I just find it so humorous that steroids are illegal because they might cause harm to the user when the very object of, say, football is violence for our own amusement.

 

[Boom_70]

Bubbler,

I could care less what some of these fools here think. I routinely talk with sports journalists and it amazes me how uninformed they are as a whole regarding PED's.


Boom_70,

Yes, it is relatively easy for an athlete to get a prescription for HGH from a physician practicing anti-aging and longevity medicine. There are thousands of them throughout the US. The problem with a pharmacy like Signature in Orlando is that some of the patients involved did not have a face to face office visit with the ordering physician. This is basically what made some of the activity involved illegal regarding the internet sales of HGH and other PED's. Many drugs such as HGH are used for "off label" purposes at the discretion of a physician and often times this is legal. However, there must be a face to face meeting between the physician and patient and all acceptable medical procedures and policies must be followed.

Like anything else, too much of something is often as bad as not enough. For example, too much water will kill you. HGH must be used responsibly or it can cause adverse health effects including insulin resistance. In short, HGH should only be used under the supervision of a knowledgable physician. I'm certainly certainly not suggesting any type of recommendations here. However, it's my understanding that, in general, if a male uses 4 units of HGH or less on a three times per week basis (a total of 12 units per week) and takes a one week break at the end of each month, they are not likely to experience side effects.

In addition, it has been reported that many anti-aging physicians prescribe HGH as follows: One unit per day for women and two units per day for men. Six days on and one day off per week.

Hope this information has been of interest.

Thank you Creamora. It's been my theory for a while now that we are going to find a lot of athletes walking around with legal prescriptions for hgh with very legitmate medical reasons for taking.

It's also my feeling that no one has come forward because of the stigma attached to such usage.

I am starting to view the whole thing as no different than athlete taking something like ritalin to assist in their focus.

 

[cranberry]

Or having their vision improved with Lasik surgery. Maybe the real story is why aren't athletes, particularly professional athletes, allowed to use substances like hGH under a physician's care. Many of the substances work well and promote healing and recovery. Players want to be on the field to perform, fans want to see them perform and club owners want to recoup the huge investments they make in the athletes. In the long run it's healthier to have the substances being dispensed under well-supervised and well-documented conditions rather than being forced underground.

 

[Twoback]

Hey Creamora?
The link that started this thread does not work.

 

[jgmacg]

From WebMD, legal:

Regarding legal issues, the Code of Federal Regulations expressly forbids the off label use of hGH. Thus, unless practitioners are prescribing hGH for treatment of growth retardation in children, physical wasting in AIDS patients or for properly diagnosed growth hormone deficiency in adults, they are at risk for reprimand by the DEA, FDA and Board(s) of Medicine.

Are there a lot of professional ballplayers in any of these three circumstances, Boom?




From Web MD, off label application:

WebMD Medical News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

Jan. 16, 2007 -- Older Americans taking shots of human growth hormone in an effort to turn back the clock will likely be disappointed.

As an antiaging treatment, the hormones appear to offer few benefits but significant health risks, a review of the research finds.

Stanford University researchers came to this conclusion after analyzing 31 studies that included a total of more than 500 relatively healthy elderly people.

The only clearly positive effect found from taking the hormones was a slight improvement in lean body mass.

On the negative side, participants who took human growth hormones were significantly more likely to develop joint swelling and pain, and carpal tunnel syndrome.

There was also a suggestion of an increased risk of diabetes and prediabetes, but that association did not reach statistical significance.

Authors of the review say better studies are needed to understand the risks and benefits of human growth hormone as an antiaging treatment.

But they say studies do not support the use of human growth hormones for this reason.

"If the benefits truly are minimal, and the risks are not, this is not a therapy that should be used for antiaging purposes," Hau Liu, MD, MBA, MPH tells WebMD.
Use Growing Among Elderly

Growth hormone is naturally produced in the pituitary gland at the base of the brain, but its levels decline with age.

Promoters of synthetic growth hormone as an antiaging treatment claim the hormones can do everything from firm sagging skin to boost a sagging libido.

According to government figures, between 25,000 and 30,000 Americans used growth hormones for aging purposes in 2004. That is a tenfold increase in about a decade, Thomas T. Perls, MD, tells WebMD.
Costly Treatment

"The cost of this treatment can be $12,000 a year or more, but even if you take the cost out of the equation, there is still a huge potential for causing harm," Perls says. "The people promoting this stuff have absolutely no idea what the long-term health effects are."

Because human growth hormone has not been approved for use as an antiaging treatment by federal regulators, Perls argues that doctors who prescribe it for this purpose are breaking the law.

He first made that charge in a report published in The Journal of the American Medical Association in late 2005.

Perls' report prompted Liu and colleagues to conduct their review of the research on human growth hormone as an antiaging treatment.
No Fountain of Youth

The researchers limited their review to randomized, controlled clinical trials that included relatively healthy elderly people.

The participants used growth hormone for an average of about six months.

While growth hormone did appear to increase lean muscle mass and reduce body fat by an average of just over 4 pounds, it did not appear to have an effect on other measures of fitness, including bone density, cholesterol, and lipid levels.

"From our review, there's not data to suggest that growth hormone prolongs life, and none of the studies make that claim," Liu says.

Liu tells WebMD he was surprised to find so little research has been done on the use of growth hormones in the elderly population -- especially since so many claims have been made about the treatment's benefits.

But he says he understands why people believe the hype.

"Elderly people today are very health conscious and they are trying to do all they can to take care of themselves," Liu says. "But our conclusion is that growth hormone does not represent a magic bullet or the fountain of youth."

 

[The Big Ragu]

This guy Matt Kolsky has no idea what he is talking about regarding blood testing for HGH. The blood test that is available for HGH is not an effective test by any means at this point. The test being used by WADA can only detect HGH in blood for about a day or so after use. There were more than one thousand tests performed at the recent World Track and Field Championships in Osaka including blood tests. How many positive blood tests for HGH do you think there were? Try zero. There were three hundred blood tests for HGH performed at the Olympic Games in Athens in 2004. How many positive blood tests for HGH do you think were there? Try zero. It's simply propaganda by WADA. It's a joke and the athletes know it. The method for testing blood for HGH has not been truly validated and published in peer reviewed scientific journals. Think about it. There has NEVER been a positive blood test for HGH at any point in time. This guy Kolsky needs to pipe down and stop looking like a fool to people who know the facts. He's making all sports journalists look bad.

The HGH Lie

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&ie=UTF-8&ncl=1120600111

Creamora - from reading your posts you obviously have a better understanding of performance enhancing drugs than most.

Is it possible that their are professional athletes that have gotten legal prescriptions for HGH?

Is the health risk of taking HGH overblown?

Boom, The FDA regulates use of HGH. There are NO GUIDELINES that would make prescribing HGH for a perfectly healthy, young athlete without a pituitary gland issue, AIDs or short bowel syndrome, legal. It's why the doctors getting caught handing out these prescriptions at "anti-aging" clinics are getting nailed, having their licenses taken away and in some cases are going to prison. A doctor can not ignore what the FDA approves a drug for and prescribe it to people who don't meet those criteria. Such a prescription is ILLEGAL, not legal. And in fact, most of these quacks, like the ones supplying these mlb players in the latest scandal, never even met with the players. They were just writing the prescriptions by the hundreds to make a buck and submitting them to these internet pharmacies.

As for the health risks being overblown, I am not an expert, but I have read enough things about HGH to wonder what the health risks actually are--everything from cartilage degeneration to impaired memory and early senility are being studied, as well as increased risk of certain kinds of cancer (in fairness, there are claims that growth hormone actually reduces risk of other kinds of cancer). But there is enough unknown, and enough legitimate doctors (not these quacks handing out prescriptions with bogus claims) raising red flags that there is a reason why the FDA is regulating this stuff and making sure it is only prescribed for VERY SPECIFIC uses in the cases of people with hormone deficiencies. It's illegal for a doctor to give the prescription for other reasons (i.e. a baseball player who wants to bulk up).

Here is one site (written by legitimate MDs) that dispels some of these BS notions these quack doctors in Florida are planting in people's heads about the drug. Either way, the FDA has approved the drug for three specific uses, so any doctor who ignores that and prescribes it to an athlete is not giving that athlete a legal prescription:

http://www.antiagingquackery.com/

 

[Tom Petty]

Or having their vision improved with Lasik surgery. Maybe the real story is why aren't athletes, particularly professional athletes, allowed to use substances like hGH under a physician's care. Many of the substances work well and promote healing and recovery. Players want to be on the field to perform, fans want to see them perform and club owners want to recoup the huge investments they make in the athletes. In the long run it's healthier to have the substances being dispensed under well-supervised and well-documented conditions rather than being forced underground.

you sure love you some professional athletes, don't you? can't get enough of 'em, can you?

btw - wasn't the same once said about steroids?
that is all.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Bubbler,

I could care less what some of these fools here think. I routinely talk with sports journalists and it amazes me how uninformed they are as a whole regarding PED's.


Boom_70,

Yes, it is relatively easy for an athlete to get a prescription for HGH from a physician practicing anti-aging and longevity medicine. There are thousands of them throughout the US. The problem with a pharmacy like Signature in Orlando is that some of the patients involved did not have a face to face office visit with the ordering physician. This is basically what made some of the activity involved illegal regarding the internet sales of HGH and other PED's. Many drugs such as HGH are used for "off label" purposes at the discretion of a physician and often times this is legal. However, there must be a face to face meeting between the physician and patient and all acceptable medical procedures and policies must be followed.

Like anything else, too much of something is often as bad as not enough. For example, too much water will kill you. HGH must be used responsibly or it can cause adverse health effects including insulin resistance. In short, HGH should only be used under the supervision of a knowledgable physician. I'm certainly certainly not suggesting any type of recommendations here. However, it's my understanding that, in general, if a male uses 4 units of HGH or less on a three times per week basis (a total of 12 units per week) and takes a one week break at the end of each month, they are not likely to experience side effects.

In addition, it has been reported that many anti-aging physicians prescribe HGH as follows: One unit per day for women and two units per day for men. Six days on and one day off per week.

Hope this information has been of interest.

Thank you Creamora. It's been my theory for a while now that we are going to find a lot of athletes walking around with legal prescriptions for hgh with very legitmate medical reasons for taking.

Boom, the FDA has approved the drug for 1) people with pituitary gland issues that keep them from growing, 2) People with AIDS-related issues and 3) People with short bowel syndrome. You expect to find pro athletes suffering from those things walking around with legal prescriptions for HGH? Why? Because of all the 4' 3" baseball players? Or the ones wasting away from AIDs? Any HGH prescription written for any other reason is illegal. If a doctor gets caught passing out such prescription, his or her license is getting yanked. But either way, pro athletes know what is banned. They get briefed on this stuff ad nauseum. If there was any chance--however unlikely, because those maladies would keep someone from competing at a pro athlete's level--a player has a legitimate prescription for HGH, you don't think he would go to his sport and explain and try to get an exemption? MLB gave Adam Laroche an exemption from its ban on ritalin when he had a legitimate reason for taking the drug.

 

[cranberry]

Most older folks who use HGH fully realize that no drug reverses the aging process and were never expecting HGH would improve "bone density, cholesterol, and lipid levels." It probably doesn't turn their lungs bright pink, either.

On the other hand, I think a lot of older folks use HGH with the hope of maintaining leaner, firmer, more muscular bodies. It not only makes them look better, it makes them stronger and more able to enjoy their sixties, seventies and eighties and nineties.

 

[Tom Petty]

people such as cranberry, jvd, rok and creamy believe sports are entertainment and entertainment alone ... hence, many ****ed up premises.

i think we all should realize that point before we respond to their fanboy-like posts.