"Steve Moyer < 1%"

[Dick Whitman]

Steve Moyer's walks count as .8 hits

Of all the controversial posts in SportsJournalists.com history, this one seemed the most innocuous at the time it was made. Posnanski column. Makes complete sense that a walk isn't as valuable as a hit. And yet it has inspired a lifetime of mockery.

Yes, but look which posters the mockery comes from. For the most part they still fall in the old school numbers crowd. RBI, Wins etc.

To threadjack the hell out of this, wouldn't it be easier to find the pitchers with the most quality starts or maybe add a category of exceptional starts (seven or more innings with two or fewer runs allowed)?

The walks/hits comparison was about hitters, not pitchers.

But going along with your threadjack: I always find it odd that people object so strenuously to "quality starts" because it includes starts of six innings allowing three runs. "That's a 4.50 ERA!" Sure, but that's also the extreme limit of what would be counted as a quality start - the lowest innings married with the highest amount of earned runs. It's just a rough guideline stat, and I think the tradeoff in simplicity is well worth the occasional 6 IP, 3 ER line that gets swept in.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Steve Moyer's walks count as .8 hits

Of all the controversial posts in SportsJournalists.com history, this one seemed the most innocuous at the time it was made. Posnanski column. Makes complete sense that a walk isn't as valuable as a hit. And yet it has inspired a lifetime of mockery.

Yes, but look which posters the mockery comes from. For the most part they still fall in the old school numbers crowd. RBI, Wins etc.

Which, to some degree, makes it even stranger. Isn't one of the major accusations levied at statheads that they fetishize walks? Here was a concession that, indeed, hits are more valuable.

No, what you were doing was trying to support Posnanski's absurd assertion that Olerud was a Hall of Famer, which not even a fetishizing of sabermetrics supports.

Your objection has always been with the conclusion that walks are worth about 0.7 singles, not with the conclusion that Olerud is a Hall of Famer. You even made the 0.7 assertion your avatar for a while, not John Olerud.

 

[LongTimeListener]

John Olerud posts here?

 

[Dick Whitman]

John Olerud posts here?

Yes.

Also: I am a backwoods hick.

 

[dooley_womack1]

Steve Moyer's walks count as .8 hits

Of all the controversial posts in SportsJournalists.com history, this one seemed the most innocuous at the time it was made. Posnanski column. Makes complete sense that a walk isn't as valuable as a hit. And yet it has inspired a lifetime of mockery.

Yes, but look which posters the mockery comes from. For the most part they still fall in the old school numbers crowd. RBI, Wins etc.

Which, to some degree, makes it even stranger. Isn't one of the major accusations levied at statheads that they fetishize walks? Here was a concession that, indeed, hits are more valuable.

No, what you were doing was trying to support Posnanski's absurd assertion that Olerud was a Hall of Famer, which not even a fetishizing of sabermetrics supports.

Your objection has always been with the conclusion that walks are worth about 0.7 singles, not with the conclusion that Olerud is a Hall of Famer. You even made the 0.7 assertion your avatar for a while, not John Olerud.

I don't give a **** if a walk is worth pi hits, trust me. I give a **** about someone trying to use a number like that to make someone out to be a Hall of Famer. So far, folks are 0 for 2 in their attempts to know what I'm thinking better than I do. And for the record, my outs are worth .0037 hits.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Steve Moyer's walks count as .8 hits

Of all the controversial posts in SportsJournalists.com history, this one seemed the most innocuous at the time it was made. Posnanski column. Makes complete sense that a walk isn't as valuable as a hit. And yet it has inspired a lifetime of mockery.

Yes, but look which posters the mockery comes from. For the most part they still fall in the old school numbers crowd. RBI, Wins etc.

Which, to some degree, makes it even stranger. Isn't one of the major accusations levied at statheads that they fetishize walks? Here was a concession that, indeed, hits are more valuable.

No, what you were doing was trying to support Posnanski's absurd assertion that Olerud was a Hall of Famer, which not even a fetishizing of sabermetrics supports.

Your objection has always been with the conclusion that walks are worth about 0.7 singles, not with the conclusion that Olerud is a Hall of Famer. You even made the 0.7 assertion your avatar for a while, not John Olerud.

I don't give a **** if a walk is worth pi hits, trust me. I give a **** about someone trying to use a number like that to make someone out to be a Hall of Famer.

Then why not make Olerud the avatar instead of the formula?

 

[dooley_womack1]

They alternated, ****. And for me, it's more fun for people to try to tell me what I'm thinking than for me to say what I'm thinking.

 

[Dick Whitman]

They alternated, ****. And for me, it's more fun for people to try to tell me what I'm thinking than for me to say what I'm thinking.

So you concede that it is completely plausible that a walk is, in general, worth about 70 percent of a single?

 

[dooley_womack1]

Yeah, boy, you sure have me sussed out. ::)

 

[Dick Whitman]

Yeah, boy, you sure have me sussed out. ::)

I'm not trying to suss you out. I'm trying to clarify your objection. You have sent some mixed signals.

 

[Guy_Incognito]

Am I the only one who thought this thread was about a really really rich guy?

 

[LongTimeListener]

Would Steve Moyer be a high-OBP guy or a free swinger? I see him as more of an Ichiro type.

 

[copperpot]

Am I the only one who thought this thread was about a really really rich guy?

haha, no, that was my assumption as well.

 

[imjustagirl]

Am I the only one who thought this thread was about a really really rich guy?

haha, no, that was my assumption as well.

Me three.

 

[93Devil]

Am I the only one who thought this thread was about a really really rich guy?

haha, no, that was my assumption as well.

Me three.

Me four.

Olerud does post here, but Ricky Henderson doesn't remember it.

 

[Football_Bat]

Is this like Shakespeare slipping his name into Psalm 46 of the King James Version?

 

[HejiraHenry]

Bill James Can Do What He Damn Pleases. Lifetime pass from me.