Softball ruling

[Rhody31]

Love to pitch these in this forum. Help figure this out:
We have a five run per inning max in lower division softball.
Home team already had three runs for the inning and loaded the bases. Girl hits it out of the park.
Is that a grand slam? Or a two-run double? Or a two-run home run? Only two runs count.

 

[Moderator1]

"Smith hit a grand slam but, since the (whatever association) rules only allow five runs per inning, only two of the runs counted. The Amazin's scored three earlier in the inning on (whatever)


You have to give her proper credit for jacking one with the bases loaded. That's a slam

 

[Joel Marlou]

Grand slam.

 

[TexasVet]

"Smith hit a two-run, walk-off grand slam to end the top half of the inning" lol

 

[fossywriter8]

Had a high school game sent in to us this week on GameChanger.
Tie game, bottom of the eighth.
Home team loads the bases against a state-ranked league foe.
Girl lines a hit to right.
All three runners come home and she ends up on third.
Team said it won 9-6 and gave the girl a three-run, walk-off triple.
We wrote the recap saying they won 7-6 with the following sentence in the story (names changed):
"Though BigHitter was credited with a triple and all three baserunners scored, only FirstGirl’s run officially counted since the game ended when she touched home."
Haven't heard any complaints yet.

 

[Cybersport2015]

Had a high school game sent in to us this week on GameChanger.
Tie game, bottom of the eighth.
Home team loads the bases against a state-ranked league foe.
Girl lines a hit to right.
All three runners come home and she ends up on third.
Team said it won 9-6 and gave the girl a three-run, walk-off triple.
We wrote the recap saying they won 7-6 with the following sentence in the story (names changed):
"Though BigHitter was credited with a triple and all three baserunners scored, only FirstGirl’s run officially counted since the game ended when she touched home."
Haven't heard any complaints yet.

I'm a long-time umpire. Only the winning run counts; batter gets credit for a single. Had she hit a hone run that cleared the fence, all the runs would have counted. Ground rule double; two runs would have counted. Your recap was correct save for this detail that no one would care about save for an umpire; the batter-runner also has to touch first base for the run to count and the runners at first and second would each have to touch the next base.

 

[Vombatus]

This a great thread: intersecting a rule interpretation, scorekeeping, journalism and umpiring.

 

[Cybersport2015]

This a great thread: intersecting a rule interpretation, scorekeeping, journalism and umpiring.

Different rules codes might have a interpretation re; runners touching bases. But the runner on third still has to touch the plate and the batter has to touch first.... that's universal

 

[cjericho]

I'm a long-time umpire. Only the winning run counts; batter gets credit for a single. Had she hit a hone run that cleared the fence, all the runs would have counted. Ground rule double; two runs would have counted. Your recap was correct save for this detail that no one would care about save for an umpire; the batter-runner also has to touch first base for the run to count and the runners at first and second would each have to touch the next base.

She has to touch 1b for the run to count? What if the outfielder throws the ball over the fence
and she doesn't touch first?

 

[Tarheel316]

Had a high school game sent in to us this week on GameChanger.
Tie game, bottom of the eighth.
Home team loads the bases against a state-ranked league foe.
Girl lines a hit to right.
All three runners come home and she ends up on third.
Team said it won 9-6 and gave the girl a three-run, walk-off triple.
We wrote the recap saying they won 7-6 with the following sentence in the story (names changed):
"Though BigHitter was credited with a triple and all three baserunners scored, only FirstGirl’s run officially counted since the game ended when she touched home."
Haven't heard any complaints yet.

You will. Someone always complains about something.

 

[Cybersport2015]

She has to touch 1b for the run to count? What if the outfielder throws the ball over the fence
and she doesn't touch first?

In that scenario the batter would be out. If it was the third out of the inning none of the runs would score. If less than two outs, the other runs would count

 

[HanSenSE]

In that scenario the batter would be out. If it was the third out of the inning none of the runs would score. If less than two outs, the other runs would count

Fred Merkle agrees.

 

[wicked]

Something similar happened in a playoff game about 20 years ago... Robin Ventura ended the game with a grand slam, and he never made it around the bases. Only the go-ahead run counted in the final score.

Grand Slam Single - Wikipedia

Sorry for the random thread jack.

 

[Sea Bass]

Something similar happened in a playoff game about 20 years ago... Robin Ventura ended the game with a grand slam, and he never made it around the bases. Only the go-ahead run counted in the final score.

Grand Slam Single - Wikipedia

Sorry for the random thread jack.

I remember that; I don’t even think he made it to second base before his teammates dragged him down in a mob.

 

[Sea Bass]

Ground rule double; two runs would have counted.

Is this part universal? If so, I’m embarrassed to say I didn’t know that. I assumed in a walk off situation, the only time more than one run could possibly count was in the event of a home run.

 

[Rhody31]

The thing that's different in my scenario than all the others is it wasn't a walk-off situation. The league is of no help. We just have a max amount of runs that can be scored in an inning. I'm leaning toward I'd rule it as a HR with one RBI.

 

[Doc Holliday]

It's a HR. That part can't be denied. If it leaves the park it's not a single.

 

[playthrough]

Something similar happened in a playoff game about 20 years ago... Robin Ventura ended the game with a grand slam, and he never made it around the bases. Only the go-ahead run counted in the final score.

Grand Slam Single - Wikipedia

Sorry for the random thread jack.

And a savage bad beat for "over" players.

 

[bpoindexter]

Any max-runs-per-inning rule I've ever been involved with always included "unless a home run is hit, then all the runs count." So if three runs are in and the kid jacks a salami, all four count for a total of seven in the inning.

Of course, that got coaches in the 8- and 9-year-old divisions to say to hell with it. They'd have the last batter try to get a "home run" on his grounder to the right side of the mound. It didn't matter the umpire was waiving his arms yelling, "Inning over, that's five!" The coaches would continue to send the kid while the opposing team threw the ball all over the infield trying to get him out.

 

[Vombatus]

Any max-runs-per-inning rule I've ever been involved with always included "unless a home run is hit, then all the runs count." So if three runs are in and the kid jacks a salami, all four count for a total of seven in the inning.

Of course, that got coaches in the 8- and 9-year-old divisions to say to hell with it. They'd have the last batter try to get a "home run" on his grounder to the right side of the mound. It didn't matter the umpire was waiving his arms yelling, "Inning over, that's five!" The coaches would continue to send the kid while the opposing team threw the ball all over the infield trying to get him out.

Just throw it home and wait for the runner.