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Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Electronic guys lifting our stuff happens to all of us all the time. But there must be an especially egregious history of this in San Antonio with this station, as the piece suggests, for the E-N to go off like it did. So I'm tickled the paper called them out.

My only nit are the "Laughable Larry", "Greggy" and "Davey" references. The point can be (and was) made without the junior-high namecalling.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

If you're the TV station in question, how, if at all, do you respond to this?
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

By continuing to do what you've been doing, perhaps.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Is it just me, or was Pils throwing haymakers? Damn. Great for him!
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Trouser_Buddah said:
If you're the TV station in question, how, if at all, do you respond to this?

Some Vaseline between the cheeks helps, but in the end you usually just have to wait it out.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Love the column, but outside the business nobody cares. Certainly not the readers. They just want the news. They don't care who broke it. And if you think I'm wrong, ask them.
 
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Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Trouser_Buddah said:
If you're the TV station in question, how, if at all, do you respond to this?

Unless they slap a "breaking news" tag on it, I doubt the saps at the TV station will even know about it.
 
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Terence Mann said:
Love the column, but outside the business nobody cares. Certainly not the readers. They just want the news. They don't care who broke it. And if you think I'm wrong, ask them.

I have, many times. You're wrong. Viewers don't generally like a tool. If they're called out, the ratings will reflect it.
 
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FreddiePatek said:
Trouser_Buddah said:
If you're the TV station in question, how, if at all, do you respond to this?

Unless they slap a "breaking news" tag on it, I doubt the saps at the TV station will even know about it.

Now that's funny.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Alma's right.

When explained, a reader or viewer would get the picture and most would agree it's not acceptable.

But a writer bitching because his pressbox seat is moved from behind home plate to the third or first base line? They don't give a **** about that. Their attitude on that? "Boo hoo hoo for the poor widdle writer who still gets in for free."
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Readers and viewers both care.
One of the great mistakes made in the business is to assume that they don't.
And I'm not talking about the sophisticated news consumer, I'm talking about the average reader.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Scum of the earth top five (generally speaking):
5. Real estate agents
4. Used car salesmen
3. Lawyers
2. Politicians
1. TV "reporters"
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Alma said:
Terence Mann said:
Love the column, but outside the business nobody cares. Certainly not the readers. They just want the news. They don't care who broke it. And if you think I'm wrong, ask them.

I have, many times. You're wrong. Viewers don't generally like a tool. If they're called out, the ratings will reflect it.

I can accept that. Maybe our readers here are different, though, because I've had these conversations and exchanges for more than 20 years with them, and my experience has been that our readers don't care. I won't argue that it's the same for yours. I don't know. And I do agree if people are made to understand it, they'll probably at least acknowledge someone's ethical breach. It's just that here I've never encountered a reader who cared at all other than to know the news.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

scalper said:
Scum of the earth top five (generally speaking):
5. Real estate agents
4. Used car salesmen
3. Lawyers
2. Politicians
1. TV "reporters"

You mean "Shameless youth sport coaches who want 20 inches written on their U-8 division-winning team" don't crack the top five?
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

i guess i'm lucky that in my town, they always seem to give me credit
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

Actually, Pils isn't the SE of the SAEN. But other than that, good for him.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

I won't defend the TV station in question, but I always howl at the reaction whenever TV reporters do something wrong.

It's as if print people are the last virgins in journalism.
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

That was a Danza slap all the way. Great work.

I'm not going to lump all TV reporters in any one bunch any more than I would newspaper reporters.
Look at all the plagiarism instances we've discussed on here. There's lazy assholes on both sides of the fence and hard workers on both sides. During my stay in my town, countless TV folks have come and gone. Most were quite good at their jobs and did a nice job giving us credit for something when it was deserved. A few were and are like these tools.

We shoulda given them this kind of Danza slap!
 
Re: San Antonio SE slams a pop-knot on TV guys

SixToe said:
Good for Pils. More of these should be written when appropriate.



www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA070807.02C.COLpils.page2.367bcd1.html



The Associated Press gave us credit. Heck, even ESPN.com, the self-proclaimed worldwide leader in what we do, gave us credit.

But not KSAT.

So, without further ado ... a missive from the sports editor's office:

"We have breaking news!" KSAT's Larry Ramirez shouted, almost elevating to his tippy-toes in his own excitement. "Apparently, the Seattle SuperSonics have hired P.J. Carlesimo as their next head coach!! And I'm sure we'll have much more on this at 10 p.m."

What Laughable Larry didn't tell people who were watching his telecast on July 3 was that the "breaking news" he worked so hard to get was taken directly off the San Antonio Express-News Web site. And he delivered on his promise. He did have much more at 10 p.m., after the Express-News posted many more details online.

This, unfortunately, has become standard practice at KSAT, where Ramirez, Greg Simmons and David Sears are more comfortable deceiving their viewers than they are practicing real journalism. Real journalism would entail developing sources and contacts, doing a little work on your own. Apparently that's too complicated for this trio.

The Carlesimo "exclusive" is just the latest in a long list of stories that KSAT's sports guys have stolen from the Express-News. They dance around the ethical issues surrounding this practice by using terms like "KSAT 12 has learned" and "KSAT 12 has confirmed."

The Radio/Television News Directors Association's Code of Ethics practically begs electronic journalists to "... clearly disclose the origin of information and label all material provided by outsiders." And the Society of Professional Journalists' code is even more direct: "Never plagiarize," it says.

We can be thankful that other local sports personalities — Don Harris and David Chancellor at WOAI and Joe Reinagel and Bob Ballou at KENS — give proper credit when credit is due. They correctly source the Express-News or other media outlets when necessary.

But Larry, Greggy and Davey have set a whole new standard for laziness, thievery and ineptness. And until the three stooges at KSAT man up and admit they are incapable of doing their own reporting, we'll recognize them as journalism miscreants, a species that some day, hopefully, will become extinct.

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