Rodman, Mullin in Hall of Fame

[Drip]

An outstanding class coming in.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6289323

 

[sgreenwell]

I'm kind of surprised that Rodman got in, given what an anti-establishment / just generally weird dude he became. However, I definitely think he deserves to be there based on merit.

 

[Drip]

I'm kind of surprised that Rodman got in, given what an anti-establishment / just generally weird dude he became. However, I definitely think he deserves to be there based on merit.

I began a thread on here some time back that got heated at times about whether Worm belonged. I said that he did. I'm not surprised. I'm really pleased that Herb McGee made it. A fine coach and a great guy.

 

[Drip]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

 

[shockey]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

Oh, I know he will, but it's still a joke. I loved Mullin and Rodman as players, but no way should they have gone in before an eligible Reggie, in my opinion.

mullin was a FAR better college player than miller AND a better pro. now, miller should be and will be a hof'er, i'm sure. mullin was a much better PLAYER.

 

[Mizzougrad96]

I'm glad the voters looked past all the BS and put Rodman in.

 

[Drip]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

Oh, I know he will, but it's still a joke. I loved Mullin and Rodman as players, but no way should they have gone in before an eligible Reggie, in my opinion.

mullin was a FAR better college player than miller AND a better pro. now, miller should be and will be a hof'er, i'm sure. mullin was a much better PLAYER.

I wouldn't go that far. I always questioned his status on the dream team. He was a great college player. As a pro, Mullin was better than most. Put up some good numbers with the Warriors.

 

[sgreenwell]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

Oh, I know he will, but it's still a joke. I loved Mullin and Rodman as players, but no way should they have gone in before an eligible Reggie, in my opinion.

To me, Reggie Miller is the Fred McGriff of the NBA. Very, very good player, and consistently near all-star level for 12 of his 18 years. Doesn't change the fact that his peak wasn't as great as you might remember - One year of 24 ppg, one year of 22 ppg, and three at 21 ppg. There isn't much in his accessory stats that prop him up - Almost no blocks, about a steal a game, and an average amount of rebounds and assists. If you're into PER, his floated between 18 and 20 most years.

I am surprised that Mullin is in, but Miller isn't. But I'd argue for excluding both as opposed to enshrining both. And hey, nice to see Artis Gilmore get in there finally.

 

[Drip]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

Oh, I know he will, but it's still a joke. I loved Mullin and Rodman as players, but no way should they have gone in before an eligible Reggie, in my opinion.

To me, Reggie Miller is the Fred McGriff of the NBA. Very, very good player, and consistently near all-star level for 12 of his 18 years. Doesn't change the fact that his peak wasn't as great as you might remember - One year of 24 ppg, one year of 22 ppg, and three at 21 ppg. There isn't much in his accessory stats that prop him up - Almost no blocks, about a steal a game, and an average amount of rebounds and assists. If you're into PER, his floated between 18 and 20 most years.

I am surprised that Mullin is in, but Miller isn't. But I'd argue for excluding both as opposed to enshrining both. And hey, nice to see Artis Gilmore get in there finally.

The Kentucky Colonels and the ABA hurt Gilmore's selection.

 

[sgreenwell]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

Oh, I know he will, but it's still a joke. I loved Mullin and Rodman as players, but no way should they have gone in before an eligible Reggie, in my opinion.

To me, Reggie Miller is the Fred McGriff of the NBA. Very, very good player, and consistently near all-star level for 12 of his 18 years. Doesn't change the fact that his peak wasn't as great as you might remember - One year of 24 ppg, one year of 22 ppg, and three at 21 ppg. There isn't much in his accessory stats that prop him up - Almost no blocks, about a steal a game, and an average amount of rebounds and assists. If you're into PER, his floated between 18 and 20 most years.

I am surprised that Mullin is in, but Miller isn't. But I'd argue for excluding both as opposed to enshrining both. And hey, nice to see Artis Gilmore get in there finally.

The Kentucky Colonels and the ABA hurt Gilmore's selection.

Yeah, I imagine it was strictly because of his ABA association that it took so long for him to get into the Hall of Fame.

 

[Drip]

It's still an absolute joke that Reggie Miller wasn't even a finalist.

He'll get in.

Oh, I know he will, but it's still a joke. I loved Mullin and Rodman as players, but no way should they have gone in before an eligible Reggie, in my opinion.

To me, Reggie Miller is the Fred McGriff of the NBA. Very, very good player, and consistently near all-star level for 12 of his 18 years. Doesn't change the fact that his peak wasn't as great as you might remember - One year of 24 ppg, one year of 22 ppg, and three at 21 ppg. There isn't much in his accessory stats that prop him up - Almost no blocks, about a steal a game, and an average amount of rebounds and assists. If you're into PER, his floated between 18 and 20 most years.

I am surprised that Mullin is in, but Miller isn't. But I'd argue for excluding both as opposed to enshrining both. And hey, nice to see Artis Gilmore get in there finally.

The Kentucky Colonels and the ABA hurt Gilmore's selection.

Yeah, I imagine it was strictly because of his ABA association that it took so long for him to get into the Hall of Fame.

Actually it did play a part. I've heard a couple of HOF'ers - Julius Erving and Moses Malone - say that.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

Rodman is out looking for the perfect evening gown for the occasion.

 

[Starman]

Everybody always sneers at one-dimensional gunners (i.e. Reggie Miller) who do one thing -- score -- yet Rodman was as much of a stat-padder as Miller or Dominique Wilkins or any other "designated shooter" who disregarded every other facet of the game to chase after statistics (rebounds in Rodman's case).

Rodman really was a great defensive player early in his career, but he became an average to poor defender late in his later years because he completely abandoned any concept of body defense, boxing out, or off-the-ball defense, to cherry-pick and run into open space after rebounds every time the ball went up, leaving his man unboxed and free to roam.

I read at some point an article showing that in his later years, the players Rodman was "guarding" actually had higher averages in scoring, rebounding (especially offensive) and FG percentages against him than in other games.

Basically you can get away with that **** when you play on the same team as the GOAT.


Oh, and they also forgot about Rodman quitting to the extent of throwing/tanking games when he wanted to force teams to trade/release him.

 

[qtlaw]

I am glad to see Rodman get enshrined. He was a fabulous player for a long time who did all of the little things that help a team win. Its easy to cite the antics but to let that color your view is laziness. He played solid, outstanding defense down low when he was giving up substantial physicial size and pursued the rebounds better than anyone else at that time. He got key, tough rebounds in huge games and he was a vital part of teams that won 5 championships.

Here's a guy who accepted his imitations and excelled. Congrats Mr. Rodman.

 

[D-3 Fan]

I second that.

I'm glad the voters looked past all the BS and put Rodman in.

Judge them for what they did on the floor (or field of play). I don't see it as a joke if one great player doesn't get in right away. Reggie will get in next year, I'm not even worried about that. Rodman is a lot of things (went from a shy kid to a sideshow during his career), but he's one of the smartest players and one of the best rebounders in the NBA.

Starman, yes Rodman abandoned some of his defensive responsibility, but how in the **** is his man going to get the rebound, when Rodman knows where the ball is going after it hits the backboard or the rim? His body of work will include his defensive prowess when he was with the Pistons and that's not going to change.

As far as this "one-dimensional" argument, there are a hell of a lot of players who are good in doing a specific "niche", whether it's to pad stats or not. Rodman has 5 NBA titles. Mullin and Miller combined has no titles and yet they were nominated and will be in the HOF is nothing to sneeze at.

In conclusion, I don't see an issue at all with this class and Reggie will be in next year. The idea that people are pissed about this and crying about it are people who either don't want to see a guy that can't stand get in; or will spend more time campaigning for someone who's going to be in anyway.

 

[Drip]

Everybody always sneers at one-dimensional gunners (i.e. Reggie Miller) who do one thing -- score -- yet Rodman was as much of a stat-padder as Miller or Dominique Wilkins or any other "designated shooter" who disregarded every other facet of the game to chase after statistics (rebounds in Rodman's case).

Rodman really was a great defensive player early in his career, but he became an average to poor defender late in his later years because he completely abandoned any concept of body defense, boxing out, or off-the-ball defense, to cherry-pick and run into open space after rebounds every time the ball went up, leaving his man unboxed and free to roam.

I read at some point an article showing that in his later years, the players Rodman was "guarding" actually had higher averages in scoring, rebounding (especially offensive) and FG percentages against him than in other games.

Basically you can get away with that **** when you play on the same team as the GOAT.


Oh, and they also forgot about Rodman quitting to the extent of throwing/tanking games when he wanted to force teams to trade/release him.

Starman, remember this thread? Your take then and your take now has definitely changed.
http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/76885/

 

[dreunc1542]

Everybody always sneers at one-dimensional gunners (i.e. Reggie Miller) who do one thing -- score -- yet Rodman was as much of a stat-padder as Miller or Dominique Wilkins or any other "designated shooter" who disregarded every other facet of the game to chase after statistics (rebounds in Rodman's case).

Rodman really was a great defensive player early in his career, but he became an average to poor defender late in his later years because he completely abandoned any concept of body defense, boxing out, or off-the-ball defense, to cherry-pick and run into open space after rebounds every time the ball went up, leaving his man unboxed and free to roam.

I read at some point an article showing that in his later years, the players Rodman was "guarding" actually had higher averages in scoring, rebounding (especially offensive) and FG percentages against him than in other games.

Basically you can get away with that **** when you play on the same team as the GOAT.


Oh, and they also forgot about Rodman quitting to the extent of throwing/tanking games when he wanted to force teams to trade/release him.

Starman, remember this thread? Your take then and your take now has definitely changed.
http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/76885/

Actually his take seems to be almost exactly the same. Your lack of reading comprehension skill never fails to astound me.

 

[Drip]

Everybody always sneers at one-dimensional gunners (i.e. Reggie Miller) who do one thing -- score -- yet Rodman was as much of a stat-padder as Miller or Dominique Wilkins or any other "designated shooter" who disregarded every other facet of the game to chase after statistics (rebounds in Rodman's case).

Rodman really was a great defensive player early in his career, but he became an average to poor defender late in his later years because he completely abandoned any concept of body defense, boxing out, or off-the-ball defense, to cherry-pick and run into open space after rebounds every time the ball went up, leaving his man unboxed and free to roam.

I read at some point an article showing that in his later years, the players Rodman was "guarding" actually had higher averages in scoring, rebounding (especially offensive) and FG percentages against him than in other games.

Basically you can get away with that **** when you play on the same team as the GOAT.


Oh, and they also forgot about Rodman quitting to the extent of throwing/tanking games when he wanted to force teams to trade/release him.

Starman, remember this thread? Your take then and your take now has definitely changed.
http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/76885/

Actually his take seems to be almost exactly the same. Your lack of reading comprehension skill never fails to astound me.

Well kiss my ass and call me Drip. It doesn't appear that way to me and a few others reading this over my shoulder. But I forgot, your reading comprehension is beyond approach.

 

[dreunc1542]

Do you mind pointing out the ways in which his take has actually changed? Maybe you can get the imaginary people reading over your shoulder to help.

 

[Starman]

Looks pretty much exactly the same to me.

I thought maybe I logged on drunk one night and went on a "OMFG Rodman izGR8 LOL" posting binge, but no.

oh well

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