RIP Dave Duerson

[Herbert Anchovy]

That's two strong safeties in about five years. And Goodell wants to play more games.

I don't get how anyone could think this is anything but a negotiating ploy.

"Owners, you have to give up something too!!!"

"Ah, OK . . . I guess we'll drop this whole 18-game thing. Man, what a sacrifice!"

That might be believable if he weren't so persistent about it, using the ubiquity of "the fans" as justification. Then, it's the same commissioner who won't budge on an iron-fisted blackout rule during a recession trending toward depression, offshore regular season games, European Super Bowls, lorded over the deep-dicking ticket fiasco two weeks ago, so on, so forth. Greed is good, for Roger and friends.

 

[Stoney]

Todd Bell was a year-long holdout from that team.

Yep, and he was coming off a Pro Bowl season in 84. That 85 Bear team was arguably the greatest defense ever, yet they should've been even better. They had another All Pro safety sitting at home.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

It's the most beloved single-season team in the history of the league, Bears fan or not.

 

[YGBFKM]

Like.

 

[Armchair_QB]

It's the most beloved single-season team in the history of the league, Bears fan or not.

Love to know what it was like to cover that team. My NFL-following experience only dates back to the mid-70s but I cannot recall a team with as many oversized personalities and/or quotable players and coaches as the '85 Bears.

The mid-90s Cowboys might be close but I don't know if any single one of those teams had a list that matched this.

Ditka
Ryan
Payton
McMahon
Dent
Hampton
McMichael
Singletary
Perry
Fencik
Marshall

Hell, even Kevin Butler was a character.

 

[Starman]

That's two strong safeties in about five years. And Goodell wants to play more games.

I don't get how anyone could think this is anything but a negotiating ploy.

"Owners, you have to give up something too!!!"

"Ah, OK . . . I guess we'll drop this whole 18-game thing. Man, what a sacrifice!"

There will be no "ploys" in the NFL CBA talks.

The owners are going to bust the NFLPA to bits and impose the settlement THEY want. They are going for unconditional victory. The players won't get ****.

 

[outofplace]

This from the guy who thinks the same thing will happen the next time MLB has labor negotiations.

 

[outofplace]

This from the guy who thinks the same thing will happen the next time MLB has labor negotiations.

What do NFL owners and MLB owners have in common?

They are billionaires. Figure it out.

Sorry. This is getting way off topic. There is a hell of a lot about Duerson worth discussing.

But really, you slept through the last 40 years or so of negotiations between the owners and players in MLB, didn't you?

 

[YGBFKM]

What Starman means, oop, is that owners are white, and thus bad. They're all racists who are indenturing minorities.

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

That's two strong safeties in about five years. And Goodell wants to play more games.

I don't get how anyone could think this is anything but a negotiating ploy.

"Owners, you have to give up something too!!!"

"Ah, OK . . . I guess we'll drop this whole 18-game thing. Man, what a sacrifice!"

There will be no "ploys" in the NFL CBA talks.

The owners are going to bust the NFLPA to bits and impose the settlement THEY want. They are going for unconditional victory. The players won't get ****.

I don't really have a problem with that.

 

[Starman]

To get back to Duerson, the owners don't give a **** about brain injuries, and won't spend 10 cents doing anything about them.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Football is going to become boxing.

Poor minorities killing each other for our amusement.

 

[holy bull]

Football is going to become boxing.

Poor minorities killing each other for our amusement.

The NFL is way too powerful a corporate entity for this to ever happen. I know you said "football", not "NFL", but football won't turn into a marginal clown show like boxing. There's just too much money in it and it's too deeply rooted in the economies of, well, everybody.

That said, as much as I love, love, love football, I'm increasingly leaning toward encouraging my young nephews to pursue other sports, just for their own welfare. If I had heard somebody say that 10 years ago, my reaction would have been, "That's *****." Not anymore.

 

[BYH]

That's two strong safeties in about five years. And Goodell wants to play more games.

I don't get how anyone could think this is anything but a negotiating ploy.

"Owners, you have to give up something too!!!"

"Ah, OK . . . I guess we'll drop this whole 18-game thing. Man, what a sacrifice!"

There will be no "ploys" in the NFL CBA talks.

The owners are going to bust the NFLPA to bits and impose the settlement THEY want. They are going for unconditional victory. The players won't get ****.

I don't really have a problem with that.

Seriously?

 

[Evil ... Thy name is Orville Redenbacher!!]

That's two strong safeties in about five years. And Goodell wants to play more games.

I don't get how anyone could think this is anything but a negotiating ploy.

"Owners, you have to give up something too!!!"

"Ah, OK . . . I guess we'll drop this whole 18-game thing. Man, what a sacrifice!"

There will be no "ploys" in the NFL CBA talks.

The owners are going to bust the NFLPA to bits and impose the settlement THEY want. They are going for unconditional victory. The players won't get ****.

I don't really have a problem with that.

Seriously?

Yea. I am serious.

 

[21]

Wow. A guy shot himself in the heart. Does anyone seriously think it was in any way related to the NFL labor talks??

 

[YGBFKM]

Football is going to become boxing.

Poor minorities killing each other for our amusement.

I can never tell what you actually believe and what you're typing just to get a response. Can you tell anymore?

 

[Sam Mills 51]

Wow. A guy shot himself in the heart. Does anyone seriously think it was in any way related to the NFL labor talks??

Not in this case.

For starters, DeMaurice Smith won't roll over and give the league what it wants the same way Gene Upshaw did. If Duerson endured that, why would his death be related to the current CBA negotiations in any way, shape or form?

 

[Dick Whitman]

Football is going to become boxing.

Poor minorities killing each other for our amusement.

I can never tell what you actually believe and what you're typing just to get a response. Can you tell anymore?

Never the latter. I don't even understand why you would think that.

What I mean is that, eventually, kids of means won't be playing football. The only people left playing will be men for whom it was a ticket out of poor surroundings.

 

[Boom_70]

Wow. A guy shot himself in the heart. Does anyone seriously think it was in any way related to the NFL labor talks??

Not in this case.

For starters, DeMaurice Smith won't roll over and give the league what it wants the same way Gene Upshaw did. If Duerson endured that, why would his death be related to the current CBA negotiations in any way, shape or form?

Correct me if I am wrong isn't the main issue in this contract discussion the owners getting back some of what Gene Upshaw "rolled over" for?