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writing irish

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The Pink Hat contingent of Red Sox Nation hasn’t extended its tentacles everywhere. Here in West Texas, I just enjoyed a World Series of being the only the only Sox fan at the local sports bar. Everyone else was either on the Rockies bandwagon or watching football on one of the other screens.

Yeah, “(insert team name) Nation” is obnoxious. I hate it as much as you perhaps do. Anyway…

I heard one of the locals complain tonight that the “Red Sox are the new Yankees.” Well, in terms of spending, sure. But consider that since WWI, the Red Sox have two World Series titles. The Yankees, 26. let’s not get too ****ing carried away with the “Sox are the new Yanks” bit. Yes, I understand the point about the economics of it all, but the Yankees dominated North American sports for the better part of a century. The Red Sox, no. Two titles in four years does not the “new Yankees” make.

However, I’d like to address a different point…a point about the Pink Hat crew. Yeah, I can understand why longtime Sox fans would be pissed about the bandwagon and how they never suffered through Tony Conigliaro’s beaning, etc.

When I was a freshman at a metro Boston university in ’86, I recall some of my peers who didn’t want me to be a Sox fan. I was from Texas and hadn’t suffered through Bucky ****ing Dent. And even though these guys were classmates of mine and weren’t alive during the Impossible Dream season and were barely cognizant during the ’75 Series, they acted like they owned those disappointments, too. So even though I adopted the Sox as my own and suffered with the lifers when Buckner, Schiraldi, et al., **** the bed, I recall some who felt I didn’t have a “right” to cheer for the Olde Towne Team. It was like I’d strolled into Southie and claimed to be a local just because my ancestry’s mostly Irish.

Anyway, twenty or so years later, old-time Sox fans are disgusted with the 2004-and-after bandwagon. Like I say, on one hand, I can understand their perspective. Bandwagon-ism, in general, is kind of lame. But here’s the deal, old-school Swox fans: Successful teams have bandwagon fans.

Ever even pondered that dynamic before? For decades now, the Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, Pittsburgh Steelers and Oakland Raiders have had fans who couldn’t find the team’s city on a map or even tell you basic facts about the team’s history. Same goes for the LA Lakers and your own Boston Celtics. There are plenty of fair-weather baseball fans with Yankees caps who’ve never heard of Thurman Munson and couldn’t tell you Mickey Mantle’s uniform number. Do you hear Yankee fans bitching about them?

Hell, even the Chicago Cubs, who’ve won nothing since the Edwardian era, have a ****load of casual fans across the country, thanks to WGN, Wrigley Field and other cultural factors. Do you hear Cub fans whining about all their fans across the country who don’t know Ron Santo from Ron Wood and who don’t gnash their teeth at the mention of Lou Brock? No, you don’t. In characteristic Midwestern, hail-fellow-well-met fashion, Cub fans welcome anyone who wants to join the party.

Lifelong Red Sox fans, you need to understand that your team has gone from a freaky regional phenomenon with a “cursed” history to one of the higher-profile franchises in North American sports. That means you’re going to have bandwagon fans- in Boston, New England and beyond. In any endeavor, success breeds notoriety.

Quit being such a bunch of whiny New England ******* and DEAL WITH IT. Look, I love New England, I love Boston and I love the Sox. My years up there will always rank among the best times of my life, and those times at Fenway will always be on the top shelf of that cabinet of memories. But damn, people. It's ok if someone from Salt Lake City or Tuscaloosa decides that they want to be a Sox fan. Just because they didn't grow up jacking off to Bernie Carbo's baseball card doesn't mean they should be denied the right. ****ing take a break from your chronic New England paranoia and negativity and ENJOY the fact that the Sox are successful. Allow them to be beloved. It’s a nice change, isn’t it?
 
sportschick said:
The Good Doctor said:
sportschick said:
**** ALL Colts and Pacers fans. Buncha obnoxious asshats :D

Fixed.

**** you too, dammit! I don't pontificate at length about the teams I follow. It's obnoxious and there are fanboy message boards for that ****.

Indeed.

Although, I have no quarrel with Ire on this one. He put some legitimate thought into it, and wasn't just talking out of his ass like so many of the fanboy loosers here.
 
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Thanks, fellas. I think this matter applies to any sad-sack teams who become successful and encounter the ineviatble change in their fan base. To take sportschick's Colts into account, there are lots of bandwagon Colts fans these days. But the Colts fan base isn't whining at high volume about the newcomers like the Sox fan base is. The difference is worth examining.
 
I guess you are saying bandwagon fans are ok? Would you be upset if they jumped off, broke their ankles, and joined the ________'s bandwagon next year when they win a title? I have no problem with fans who have been fans longer than the last year that they won a championship. Sick of all the Dallas Cowboy fans who suddenly became fans after their little spree in the early 90s and the Lakers fans in the 2000s.
 
Uh, a guy with a mother****ing GREEN Red Sox cap as his avatar is complaining about the Pink Hat crew?
 
**** yes, I have a green Sox cap as my avatar. I'm an Irish-American and a Sox fan. And I'm not complaining about the Pink Hat crew.

Mayfly, I'm not saying bandwagon fans are ok. I'm just saying that they're an ineviatble by-product of success. Hate them if you want, fine, whatever, all fanboyism is subjective and there's no "right" or "wrong" about it. I just find it silly that Sox fans feel deeply threatened by their bandwagon while other fans like Yankees or Cowboys fans just shrug it off as a predictable aspect of being a winner.
 
At Pitt, our bandagon is an actual wagon.

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BitterYoungMatador2 said:
At Pitt, our bandagon is an actual wagon.

RADIO-FLYER-90-traditional-red-Wagon-lg.jpg

Does that boy in the back look overly happy? More so than the girl in the front?
 
writing irish said:
I heard one of the locals complain tonight that the “Red Sox are the new Yankees.” Well, in terms of spending, sure. But consider that since WWI, the Red Sox have two World Series titles. The Yankees, 26. let’s not get too ****ing carried away with the “Sox are the new Yanks” bit. Yes, I understand the point about the economics of it all, but the Yankees dominated North American sports for the better part of a century. The Red Sox, no. Two titles in four years does not the “new Yankees” make.

One must say this much -- they are the new Evil Empire. Because if Lucchiano dubbed the Yankees the "Evil Empire" because of all the money they spent to win the bidding on a Cuban defect, then you could make an argument the Red Sox went way beyond that when it came to Dice-K this past offseason.

OK, carry on ...
 
Same argument could be made about the Braves through the 90s. They were America's Team, damnit! Until people got tired of their ****. The same will happen and some other team will come along in the next five years to be the national bandwagon team. May it be the Royals.

I went to Turner for the first time this summer. I'm a lifelong Braves fan, but hadn't been to a game in 10 years because life got in the way and I moved from the South. But, *******, there were a ****load of Red Sox fans for that series in June. In ****ing Atlanta, they crawled out from under the rocks! And on a Monday!
 
The pink hatters are a New England thing. Sure, it's been exported elsewhere, but they were around in 2003-04 as well.

Anyone who's spent any significant amount of time in New England can easily spot the sense of ownership with which they treat their history, their arts, their ideals, so on so forth ... the Red Sox are an extension of that. It produces a lot of the region's general arrogance, but it is theirs.
 
buckweaver said:
The Last Boy Scout said:
Same argument could be made about the Braves through the 90s. They were America's Team, damnit! Until people got tired of their ****. The same will happen and some other team will come along in the next five years to be the national bandwagon team. May it be the Royals.

I went to Turner for the first time this summer. I'm a lifelong Braves fan, but hadn't been to a game in 10 years because life got in the way and I moved from the South. But, *******, there were a ****load of Red Sox fans for that series in June. In ****ing Atlanta, they crawled out from under the rocks! And on a Monday!

re: argument ... No. It really couldn't. Not the same at all.

re: Sox fans ... No ****. They sell out almost every game in every visiting city, interleague and all. Yankees are the same way, as are Steelers/Packers/Cowboys in the NFL, etc.

But ... but ... but ... Ted told me they were America's Team! :'(
 

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