Poz *****-slaps Chass

[Joe Williams]

I'm just glad that the topic line of this thread -- and all future ones similar to it lauding something done by Pos/Poz or The Jones or another sainted scribe -- includes enough info (the fawned-over-one's name) that I'll be able to skip it in the future.

The fanboy factor on this site is getting insufferable. Everybody needs to go cover a high school game or something and get over themselves. Or their keyboard-pounding gods. Buncha ****in' sports journalists, is all.

 

[Mark McGwire]

Feel free to skip it right now.

 

[Boom_70]

Seeing as Flood has been dead for 14 years, it's kind of hard to say whether or not he'd feel comfortable with a 93-year-old Marvin Miller telling stories accurately on his behalf, especially when Miller was apparently telling them to Chass in a way that appeared differently in Flood's own autobiography.

But how come Pos did not include that story in his article?

 

[LongTimeListener]

I'm just glad that the topic line of this thread -- and all future ones similar to it lauding something done by Pos/Poz or The Jones or another sainted scribe -- includes enough info (the fawned-over-one's name) that I'll be able to skip it in the future.

The fanboy factor on this site is getting insufferable. Everybody needs to go cover a high school game or something and get over themselves. Or their keyboard-pounding gods. Buncha ****in' sports journalists, is all.

I approve of this message.

 

[jr/shotglass]

Well, I'd agree if the entire house was giving head to Posnanski, but not everyone is doing that. Some people don't like what he wrote.

But we're deep into the second page. I'd imagine somebody probably should have scolded somebody already.

The five steps of SportsJournalists.com

1. Statement
2. Agreement
3. Congratulation
4. Devil's Advocacy
5. Superior Admonishment

 

[Johnny Dangerously]

And popping popcorn, which I just did.

 

[Azrael]

Seeing as Flood has been dead for 14 years, it's kind of hard to say whether or not he'd feel comfortable with a 93-year-old Marvin Miller telling stories accurately on his behalf, especially when Miller was apparently telling them to Chass in a way that appeared differently in Flood's own autobiography.

But how come Pos did not include that story in his article?

He provides a link to it.

 

[Boom_70]

Seeing as Flood has been dead for 14 years, it's kind of hard to say whether or not he'd feel comfortable with a 93-year-old Marvin Miller telling stories accurately on his behalf, especially when Miller was apparently telling them to Chass in a way that appeared differently in Flood's own autobiography.

But how come Pos did not include that story in his article?

He provides a link to it.

Yes but centerpiece of Chass article was the story that Marvin Miller told , Not what was in Curt Floods book.

How come Pos did not try to reach out to Marvin Miller to verify his quotes?

 

[Boom_70]

Well, I'd agree if the entire house was giving head to Posnanski, but not everyone is doing that. Some people don't like what he wrote.

But we're deep into the second page. I'd imagine somebody probably should have scolded somebody already.

The five steps of SportsJournalists.com

1. Statement
2. Agreement
3. Congratulation
4. Devil's Advocacy
5. Superior Admonishment

Funny stuff Shottie. Good to have you back and posting.

I would add a 6th step when discussion becomes to spirited :

6. Lock

 

[Drip]

Wow, Poz debated on whether to write his latest blog post. I'm glad he did. Murray Chass is trying to be relevant, but instead keeps showing himself to be just the opposite.

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/2011/03/men-of-honor.html

This may sound trite, but what's the big deal?

 

[Joe Williams]

Well, I'd agree if the entire house was giving head to Posnanski, but not everyone is doing that. Some people don't like what he wrote.

But we're deep into the second page. I'd imagine somebody probably should have scolded somebody already.

The five steps of SportsJournalists.com

1. Statement
2. Agreement
3. Congratulation
4. Devil's Advocacy
5. Superior Admonishment

Funny stuff Shottie. Good to have you back and posting.

I would add a 6th step when discussion becomes to spirited :

6. Lock

Gives us all a worthy goal: To get a topic going that lasts precisely six posts, each one representing the above "stages." I think trickiest part would be going from admonishment to lock in one E-Z step.

 

[beardpuller]

Seeing as Flood has been dead for 14 years, it's kind of hard to say whether or not he'd feel comfortable with a 93-year-old Marvin Miller telling stories accurately on his behalf, especially when Miller was apparently telling them to Chass in a way that appeared differently in Flood's own autobiography.

But how come Pos did not include that story in his article?

Well, I'll take a swing at that. The dispute here is over something that happened to Curt Flood, right? The source cited for an authoritative version is ... Curt Flood. Marvin Miller wasn't there. Why is there an obligation to deal with Marvin Miller's recollection?

 

[Boom_70]

Seeing as Flood has been dead for 14 years, it's kind of hard to say whether or not he'd feel comfortable with a 93-year-old Marvin Miller telling stories accurately on his behalf, especially when Miller was apparently telling them to Chass in a way that appeared differently in Flood's own autobiography.

But how come Pos did not include that story in his article?

Well, I'll take a swing at that. The dispute here is over something that happened to Curt Flood, right? The source cited for an authoritative version is ... Curt Flood. Marvin Miller wasn't there. Why is there an obligation to deal with Marvin Miller's recollection?

Because most of Murray's blog dealt with Miller telling stories of Musial.

 

[Mark McGwire]

Someone, please, put Logic out of her misery.

 

[YankeeFan]

Someone, please, put Logic out of her misery.

Talk about schtick; this is schtick piled on top of schtick.

Through all of your various incarnations, the one constant meme you've carried through them all has been your belief that you are the most logical being on the planet ,and that anyone who disagrees with you is flawed logically.

Such nonsense.

And, did I miss something? Is logic a proper noun? Is it supposed to be capitalized?

Maybe you need an editor. I can recommend several good ones.

 

[Double Down]

Yankechino,

Your animus toward Big Mac is silly here. He makes a fair point. A 93-year-old Marvin Miller's recollection of a second hand story about Curt Flood should, at least in theory, not have more credibility than Curt Flood's own recounting of the same incident. Especially since Flood wrote it down, had time to think about it, decided it was an accurate recounting, and let it be published.

It's rather obvious that both Miller and Chass are eager to tar Musial for not fully getting on board with their cause. He didn't believe the Busch family was the devil, and in the eyes of Miller and Chass, this means he should be tarred. Pos doesn't need to call Miller for comment to thrash Chass' point. He only needed to go to and find Flood's testimony about the incident. Unless you believe a 93-year-old Marvin Miller should be allowed to speak on behalf of a dead Flood, with greater authority than Flood's own words, which he wrote/spoke when he was actually alive. That's why Boom's point is illogical.

 

[YankeeFan]

Your animus toward Big Mac is silly here. He makes a fair point. A 93-year-old Marvin Miller's recollection of a second hand story about Curt Flood should, at least in theory, not have more credibility than Curt Flood's own recounting of the same incident. Especially since Flood wrote it down, had time to think about it, decided it was an accurate recounting, and let it be published.

I agree 100%. I agree with you and "Mark".

I just think it's funny that "Mark" accuses others of schtick when his whole act is schtick.

 

[Double Down]

Well, I don't follow Mark closely so I'm not aware of his schtick. But I do know that we have a basic understanding that people are allowed to go away and come back and reinvent themselves here, and we aren't supposed to comment about who they might have been under another name, etc. That holds true no matter what kind of poster you are/were. That's not to say I haven't broken that rule a time or two, but I believe the time has come to just let it go and either argue with him on the merits, or click ignore.

 

[YGBFKM]

Two-way street.

 

[YankeeFan]

Well, I don't follow Mark closely so I'm not aware of his schtick. But I do know that we have a basic understanding that people are allowed to go away and come back and reinvent themselves here, and we aren't supposed to comment about who they might have been under another name, etc. That holds true no matter what kind of poster you are/were. That's not to say I haven't broken that rule a time or two, but I believe the time has come to just let it go and either argue with him on the merits, or click ignore.

Hi-Larious.

You just described more of "Mark's" schtick. That's him to a tee.

Plus, he didn't "come back" with this handle. He registered it years ago as one of his many sock puppets.

Then, after getting bored with his new home, used it (and a couple of others) solely to stir up trouble here.

Now, he's using it as his main handle.

And, since he's always rushed to your defense, I find it hard to believe that you don't know exactly what I'm talking about.