According to Jerry Crasnick on ESPN.com, the Red Sox are about to sign Joel Pineiro to a one-year contract. Good move? I think it might be. He went 8-13 for a bad Seattle team last season but there was a time I thought he was quite the prospect. It can't hurt to make him No. 4 or 5 in the Red Sox rotation.
Pineiro to Red Sox?
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Depends on how much the one-year deal is for, but if it's not too expensive, I like it. He certainly has shown the stuff to be a solid player, and mixing into the middle of that rotation should take a little off his shoulders. I remember him being the next big thing when he got the call.
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I love the idea of Pineiro as a swing starter/long man. Would this allow them to make Wakefield into a bullpen savior, e.g. swingman? Or would Pineiro get that role instead? It would seem to make sense to have Wakefield as basically a utility pitcher.
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Hey speaking of Crasnick - has anyone heard what made him report that supposed trade of Jake Peavy to the Braves a while back?
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casty33 said:
No, it can't. But when they have 6 or 7 starters already, it will. They have a full rotation, a full bullpen, no closer and yet they add a starter/long reliever.
Maybe he'll close? Can he close? Is this even worth it?
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I just don't follow him closely enough, so this may be a dumb question. But Piniero's first two years, I remember watching some games in which he as absolutely filthy. Threw hard and had an unreal breaking ball that made batters' knees buckles. He was unhittable for a young pitcher. Over the period that he got suckier and suckier I heard vague things about arm problems, but nothing anything tangible. But as I said, I haven't paid close attention. So can someone tell me, what exactly happened with him?
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After the Meche signing I was wondering here why Meche was worth $55 million, but Piniero was released. Going into the off-season, if you had offered me a choice, I don't know which I would have taken.
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Again, I'm not sure what someone's record has to do with anything (i.e. compare Nate Robertson and Kenny Rogers in '06; not to mention Piniero had a better record than teammates Jarrod Washburn and Jamie Moyer - compare those stats).
Joel Piniero allowed 209 hits in 165.7 IP and had an ERA of 6.36. That's bad no matter who you play for.
Joel Piniero allowed 209 hits in 165.7 IP and had an ERA of 6.36. That's bad no matter who you play for.
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It could be an OK signing if it is for the minimum or is performance based, but you better not be giving Joel Piniero guaranteed money. I'd rather take a chance on Mark Mulder.
Sounds good to me:
By Howard Ulman, AP Sports Writer | January 3, 2007
BOSTON --Joel Pineiro reached a preliminary agreement on a $4 million, one-year deal with the Boston Red Sox, who are turning to the former Seattle starter as a contender for their vacant closer's job.
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The contract includes $2 million in performance bonuses based on games finished, according to a person familiar with the negotiations, who spoke on condition of anonymity Wednesday because the agreement has not been announced.
Pineiro's deal also contains a player option for 2008. He must pass a physical for the contract to be finalized.
By Howard Ulman, AP Sports Writer | January 3, 2007
BOSTON --Joel Pineiro reached a preliminary agreement on a $4 million, one-year deal with the Boston Red Sox, who are turning to the former Seattle starter as a contender for their vacant closer's job.
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The contract includes $2 million in performance bonuses based on games finished, according to a person familiar with the negotiations, who spoke on condition of anonymity Wednesday because the agreement has not been announced.
Pineiro's deal also contains a player option for 2008. He must pass a physical for the contract to be finalized.
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$4 million plus $2 million in incentives is a "good deal for all concerned" for a guy who had a 6.38 ERA last year and gave up 209 hits in 165.2 innings? Not arguing. I think that is the economics of baseball right now. Which means that when I have a kid, if he's born with a working arm and a pulse, I am teaching him how to throw even before he can walk.
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Hoo said:
Take one of the top closers in the AL and make him into a starting pitcher because it's easier on his arm.
Then take a crappy starting pitcher and try to turn him into the new closer.
Interesting. Well, the second part of that did work for Jose Mesa, so....
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And he is going to be a candidate for their closer's role? Does he even have any experience in the bullpen? I think the Mariners sent him there last year, but that was because he was getting ripped by every MLB lineup he faced as a starter.
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But as was stated before, this kid had filthy stuff when he got called up. This is a good deal for one year, not five, to see if he still has it or not. Or would you rather pay Gil Meche 11 a year?
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GB-Hack said:
Oh, the Gil Meche deal was absurd. Not even close.
Seattle waited a few years to see if Piniero would get back his stuff. You'd have to guess it isn't happening. Still, no one answered my question from earlier in the thread. What exactly happened to Piniero, other than vague arm troubles and a vague, he lost his stuff? Does anyone have an answer?
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Ragu, Piniero spent a lot of time on the DL with arm woes either two or three years ago. No surgery necessary, but his stuff never returned. As evidenced by his ERA last year--in a pitcher's park--he's cannon fodder as a starter.
Maybe he'll be good as a reliever, but I sure as hell would not bet $4 million on it in Boston.
So let's get this straight: The Red Sox had awful relief pitching in front of Papelbon last season and have decided to fix it by...signing a bunch of question marks, all of whom are going to vie to replace Papelbon at closer. I find it hard to believe that's going to work out.
Maybe he'll be good as a reliever, but I sure as hell would not bet $4 million on it in Boston.
So let's get this straight: The Red Sox had awful relief pitching in front of Papelbon last season and have decided to fix it by...signing a bunch of question marks, all of whom are going to vie to replace Papelbon at closer. I find it hard to believe that's going to work out.
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BYH said:
Will Craig Hansen be the closer come Opening Day?
