Paulson on the Freddie/Fannie bailout

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When asked by MSNBC at about the 2 minute mark how much the bailout would cost, tens of billions, hundreds of billions?:

PAULSON: I....uh...There is no specific analysis. We didn't figure it out with a calculator.

TO REITERATE: THERE IS NO SPECIFIC ANALYSIS

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/26605855#26605855

****ing doomed.
 
Football_Bat said:
Like I said on the other thread: pay hundreds of billions now or pay tens of trillions later.

Fannie and Freddie cannot be allowed to go belly-up.

First off, Daddy Warbucks Paulson himself has no f'ing clue how much the amount is. He said so himself. This **** was done by the seat of his pants. So where you get "hundreds of billions now or pay tens of trillions later"?

And why on earth would taxpayers be paying 10s of trillions of dollars if Fannie or Freddie collapsed?
 
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's risk hedges were the same as Enron's. Yet no one talks about them the same way. They are Federally chartered, and have sweet sounding marketing campaigns tied to the American dream of home ownership, so they don't get looked at with a critical eye. Why bail out something that has become so big and unwieldy, yet is such a big part of the U.S. Economy because they are tied to the bulk of so many people's net worth, when their failure can jeopardize our whole economy? If they fail, the U.S. banking system fails, because it is so dependent on Fannie and Freddie debt. Then taxpayers are on the hook for a bailout that will make the savings and loan scandal look like chump change. Better to get out now, and absorb some of the hit, than wait for a total failure and absorb a monstrous hit that will devastate us. If we ease the things down to worthless--and they are worthless without us subsidizing them--some of the smaller banks that have a lot of their reserves tied up in preferred shares will fail, and it will cost the taxpayers something in a bailout. If we let those monsters keep breathing fire, we risk a bailout that could destroy our economy. It's a stupid game of Russian Roulette that doesn't look past the tip of our noses.
 
You know what, I am sick of "too big to fail". Way sick of it.

Bear Stearns
Freddie Mac
Fannie Mae
Is just the beginning. **** them. Completely and absolutely. I understand the ramifications.

I am ready for failure. This complete and absolute Wall Street cluster**** should in no way be perpetuated - as it is doing.

Too big for failure? Try me.
 
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poindexter said:
You know what, I am sick of "too big to fail". Way sick of it.

Bear Stearns
Freddie Mac
Fannie Mae
Is just the beginning. **** them. Completely and absolutely. I understand the ramifications.

I am ready for failure. This complete and absolute Wall Street cluster**** should in no way be perpetuated - as it is doing.

Too big for failure? Try me.

And bring the entire board of directors up on charges. The people behind Enron were brought into a court and judged by their peers, why aren't these guys? Because they are all politically connected. That is why there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. You want my vote? tell me you're going to hold investigations that will lead to criminal charges against these folks. I don't care if its McCain or Obama. I'm sick and tired of hearing "community organizer," "Palin is a bad mom," "high gas prices." Get it done.

Rant over.
 
I was at a seminar in Boston a few weeks ago. One of the keynotes was Tim McNamar, a former assistant secretary of the treasury under Reagan. The guy's obviously a conservative, but he was saying that the government needs to be tougher on business leaders.

He noted that what we consider minor accounting errors are offenses that put Chinese business leaders in jail.

I understand the need for bailing out troubled institutions if only for that fact it would wreck our economy if we didn't, but we need to hold the leaders of these failed businesses accountable. If they engaged or ignored criminal activity then they need to be dealt with as harshly as possible. No Club Fed, no fine only sentencing, but hard time in a federal prison.

In other good news, Fannie and Freddie's CEOs may still walk away with severance packages totaling between $10-$15 million.

God Bless America.
 
Banks spend more money for lobbying than any other industry or group. They expect something in return and they're not talking about 4.3 percent on their CD!
 
Brooklyn Bridge said:
poindexter said:
You know what, I am sick of "too big to fail". Way sick of it.

Bear Stearns
Freddie Mac
Fannie Mae
Is just the beginning. **** them. Completely and absolutely. I understand the ramifications.

I am ready for failure. This complete and absolute Wall Street cluster**** should in no way be perpetuated - as it is doing.

Too big for failure? Try me.

And bring the entire board of directors up on charges. The people behind Enron were brought into a court and judged by their peers, why aren't these guys? Because they are all politically connected. That is why there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats. You want my vote? tell me you're going to hold investigations that will lead to criminal charges against these folks. I don't care if its McCain or Obama. I'm sick and tired of hearing "community organizer," "Palin is a bad mom," "high gas prices." Get it done.

Rant over.

Amen brother!!

Freelance Hack said:
I understand the need for bailing out troubled institutions if only for that fact it would wreck our economy if we didn't, but we need to hold the leaders of these failed businesses accountable. If they engaged or ignored criminal activity then they need to be dealt with as harshly as possible. No Club Fed, no fine only sentencing, but hard time in a federal prison.

Agreed they should be sent to (In the words of Michael Bolton from "Office Space") Federal **** Me in the Ass Prison!!
 
He noted that what we consider minor accounting errors are offenses that put Chinese business leaders in jail.

And ****ups to the level of Fannie/Freddie, Enron, etc., get the death penalty. The honest-to-God, no-fooling death penalty. As in, you get the death sentence, they take you outside and there's a lethal injection van waiting.
 
On your way to the voting booth in November, just ask yourself how it is possible that we have this problem land in our laps and we haven't the slightest clue how much it's going to cost. Then do the sensible thing and don't give any incumbent on your ballot a vote. None of 'em. We can't keep re-electing these fools and expect different results.
 
poindexter said:
You know what, I am sick of "too big to fail". Way sick of it.

Bear Stearns
Freddie Mac
Fannie Mae
Is just the beginning. **** them. Completely and absolutely. I understand the ramifications.

I am ready for failure. This complete and absolute Wall Street cluster**** should in no way be perpetuated - as it is doing.

Too big for failure? Try me.

Yeah?
My parents went through it.
It was called the Great Depression. People starved.
You think it's a freaking joke?
 
Despite the recent oil-related bounce, the dollar's confetti because of the war, Fredo's dullard tax policies -- and crap such as this.

Rock and a hard place.

You can postpone the Day of Reckoning, but it's damned expensive, and it only makes the eventual
Day of Reckoning exponentially worse.
 
Twoback said:
poindexter said:
You know what, I am sick of "too big to fail". Way sick of it.

Bear Stearns
Freddie Mac
Fannie Mae
Is just the beginning. **** them. Completely and absolutely. I understand the ramifications.

I am ready for failure. This complete and absolute Wall Street cluster**** should in no way be perpetuated - as it is doing.

Too big for failure? Try me.

Yeah?
My parents went through it.
It was called the Great Depression. People starved.
You think it's a freaking joke?

Does it look like I'm "freaking" laughing?

I don't care if there is a depression. I don't care if people today starve. I certainly think "we" deserve it, and I don't think it's fair to add even more ?billions/trillions? of debt onto future generations - which is exactly what we are doing.

What gives the government the right to sweep this **** under the rug to saddle future generations with this crap? I don't care if the economy goes in the ****ter. Its already there now, you just don't know it because its all on the credit card. The United States runs roughly a billion dollars a day deficit - give or take a few trillion. Too big to fail? **** you. I don't need to prop up these ponzi schemes, and I certainly don't think my future grandchildren should have to pay for it.
 

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