Oh Go Shoot Someone In The Face

[Fenian_Bastard]

Vice President Sociopath Comes To Call
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/news/columnists/jonathan_s_landay/15847918.htm?source=rss&channel=krwashington_jonathan_s_landay

 

[PeteyPirate]

I wonder if this guy has ever lived by any rules.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

If he'd shot someone in the hat, there wouldn't have been a problem.
They pass the law. They sign the law. They ignore the law.
The Bush Administration -- Have It Your Way!

 

[buckweaver]

My dad, when he was going through police training a couple decades ago, was subjected to a spray of Mace in his eyes during a session on non-lethal force. It was an intentional exercise, and it was intended to give the cops a more informed perspective on how a perp could/would react to Mace if they ever chose to use it on someone.

It gave him a better respect for the stuff, and I am quite sure it gave him a different perspective on when/how to use it (which, as far as I know, he rarely did.)

***

In relation to this thread, Cheney says he doesn't believe that water-boarding is torture. And the Bush Administration, as a whole, seems to have no problem using what most of us, I think, would find to be "torture." ... Torture, in most cases, is intended to be a non-lethal method of coercive force. ... It seems to me that if we are to use these methods, the people applying them -- and more importantly, the people authorizing them -- should have a more informed perspective on what is torture and what is not. ...

For the life of me, I can't understand how a human being could do that to another human being, and be OK with that. It doesn't make sense to me. It disturbs my sensibilities on a basic level.

I think even 10 seconds of simulated water-boarding, even in a highly controlled environment where there is no danger to him, would change Cheney's mind forever.

 

[heyabbott]

My dad, when he was going through police training a couple decades ago, was subjected to a spray of Mace in his eyes during a session on non-lethal force. It was an intentional exercise, and it was intended to give the cops a more informed perspective on how a perp could/would react to Mace if they ever chose to use it on someone.

It gave him a better respect for the stuff, and I am quite sure it gave him a different perspective on when/how to use it (which, as far as I know, he rarely did.)

***

In relation to this thread, Cheney says he doesn't believe that water-boarding is torture. And the Bush Administration, as a whole, seems to have no problem using what most of us, I think, would find to be "torture." ... Torture, in most cases, is intended to be a non-lethal method of coercive force. ... It seems to me that if we are to use these methods, the people applying them -- and more importantly, the people authorizing them -- should have a more informed perspective on what is torture and what is not. ...

For the life of me, I can't understand how a human being could do that to another human being, and be OK with that. It doesn't make sense to me. It disturbs my sensibilities on a basic level.

I think even 10 seconds of simulated water-boarding, even in a highly controlled environment where there is no danger to him, would change Cheney's mind forever.

for a guy who at least once had to **** Lynne Cheney. water boarding is a mere annoyance.

 

[PeteyPirate]

My dad, when he was going through police training a couple decades ago, was subjected to a spray of Mace in his eyes during a session on non-lethal force. It was an intentional exercise, and it was intended to give the cops a more informed perspective on how a perp could/would react to Mace if they ever chose to use it on someone.

It gave him a better respect for the stuff, and I am quite sure it gave him a different perspective on when/how to use it (which, as far as I know, he rarely did.)

***

In relation to this thread, Cheney says he doesn't believe that water-boarding is torture. And the Bush Administration, as a whole, seems to have no problem using what most of us, I think, would find to be "torture." ... Torture, in most cases, is intended to be a non-lethal method of coercive force. ... It seems to me that if we are to use these methods, the people applying them -- and more importantly, the people authorizing them -- should have a more informed perspective on what is torture and what is not. ...

For the life of me, I can't understand how a human being could do that to another human being, and be OK with that. It doesn't make sense to me. It disturbs my sensibilities on a basic level.

I think even 10 seconds of simulated water-boarding, even in a highly controlled environment where there is no danger to him, would change Cheney's mind forever.

for a guy who at least once had to **** Lynne Cheney. water boarding is a mere annoyance.

Look how that turned out. A freaking lesbian.

 

[Boom_70]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

Cowens was a team guy.

David Stern decided that it was stars that sold tickets and team guys like Cowens don't sell enough mechandise. Just look at San Antonio - how many national commercials do you see featuring the Spurs even they have the ultimate team guy and the ultimate team?

Guys like Cowens who would dive for loose balls and take charges are a dying breed in the NBA and the NBA is lesser for it.

 

[Football_Bat]

My dad, when he was going through police training a couple decades ago, was subjected to a spray of Mace in his eyes during a session on non-lethal force. It was an intentional exercise, and it was intended to give the cops a more informed perspective on how a perp could/would react to Mace if they ever chose to use it on someone.

It gave him a better respect for the stuff, and I am quite sure it gave him a different perspective on when/how to use it (which, as far as I know, he rarely did.)

***

In relation to this thread, Cheney says he doesn't believe that water-boarding is torture. And the Bush Administration, as a whole, seems to have no problem using what most of us, I think, would find to be "torture." ... Torture, in most cases, is intended to be a non-lethal method of coercive force. ... It seems to me that if we are to use these methods, the people applying them -- and more importantly, the people authorizing them -- should have a more informed perspective on what is torture and what is not. ...

For the life of me, I can't understand how a human being could do that to another human being, and be OK with that. It doesn't make sense to me. It disturbs my sensibilities on a basic level.

I think even 10 seconds of simulated water-boarding, even in a highly controlled environment where there is no danger to him, would change Cheney's mind forever.

for a guy who at least once had to **** Lynne Cheney. water boarding is a mere annoyance.

Look how that turned out. A freaking lesbian.

The better part of me says that is not fair.

 

[PeteyPirate]

My dad, when he was going through police training a couple decades ago, was subjected to a spray of Mace in his eyes during a session on non-lethal force. It was an intentional exercise, and it was intended to give the cops a more informed perspective on how a perp could/would react to Mace if they ever chose to use it on someone.

It gave him a better respect for the stuff, and I am quite sure it gave him a different perspective on when/how to use it (which, as far as I know, he rarely did.)

***

In relation to this thread, Cheney says he doesn't believe that water-boarding is torture. And the Bush Administration, as a whole, seems to have no problem using what most of us, I think, would find to be "torture." ... Torture, in most cases, is intended to be a non-lethal method of coercive force. ... It seems to me that if we are to use these methods, the people applying them -- and more importantly, the people authorizing them -- should have a more informed perspective on what is torture and what is not. ...

For the life of me, I can't understand how a human being could do that to another human being, and be OK with that. It doesn't make sense to me. It disturbs my sensibilities on a basic level.

I think even 10 seconds of simulated water-boarding, even in a highly controlled environment where there is no danger to him, would change Cheney's mind forever.

for a guy who at least once had to **** Lynne Cheney. water boarding is a mere annoyance.

Look how that turned out. A freaking lesbian.

The better part of me says that is not fair.

I wasn't very clear. I was actually quoting Cheney.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

Cowens was a team guy.

David Stern decided that it was stars that sold tickets and team guys like Cowens don't sell enough mechandise. Just look at San Antonio - how many national commercials do you see featuring the Spurs even they have the ultimate team guy and the ultimate team?

Guys like Cowens who would dive for loose balls and take charges are a dying breed in the NBA and the NBA is lesser for it.

Meaning what, Chris?
The era in which Dave Cowens thrived -- the pre-Magic/Bird 1970's -- was by any empirical measure the worst era in the modern history of any professional sports. Cocaine. Guns. The Finals -- with Dr. J and the Lakers -- on tape-delay on the networks. The NBA turned around because it was blessed with individual talents it could market. (And it turned around when the Larrys -- O'Brien and Fleischer -- managed to solve the labor-management issues by agreeing on the first salary-cap in history.) That the process may have gone too far is probably true, and the league is coming back slowly from those excesses. However, the era in which Cowens played was truly an awful one.
And Cowens could have played in the NBA at any time in history. A great, great player, and an interesting guy besides. Always sorry he was only a couple years too early for the Big Three Era.

 

[markvid]

*shrug*
They are terrorists.
Too bad.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

Cowens was a team guy.

David Stern decided that it was stars that sold tickets and team guys like Cowens don't sell enough mechandise. Just look at San Antonio - how many national commercials do you see featuring the Spurs even they have the ultimate team guy and the ultimate team?

Guys like Cowens who would dive for loose balls and take charges are a dying breed in the NBA and the NBA is lesser for it.

Meaning what, Chris?
The era in which Dave Cowens thrived -- the pre-Magic/Bird 1970's -- was by any empirical measure the worst era in the modern history of any professional sports. Cocaine. Guns. The Finals -- with Dr. J and the Lakers -- on tape-delay on the networks. The NBA turned around because it was blessed with individual talents it could market. (And it turned around when the Larrys -- O'Brien and Fleischer -- managed to solve the labor-management issues by agreeing on the first salary-cap in history.) That the process may have gone too far is probably true, and the league is coming back slowly from those excesses. However, the era in which Cowens played was truly an awful one.
And Cowens could have played in the NBA at any time in history. A great, great player, and an interesting guy besides. Always sorry he was only a couple years too early for the Big Three Era.

Actually I think the worst era for any professional sport is the NHL today but I see your point.

Many people in Boston were blind to some of the issues facing the NBA because we came out of the 60's as a power house and had success in the early 70's with Havlicek and Cowens with Tommy Heinson as coach. It was only from 1976-1980 that there was a dry spell in basketball in the Hub of the Universe.

1980 of course saw the coming of the Basketball Jesus to Boston.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

Cowens was a team guy.

David Stern decided that it was stars that sold tickets and team guys like Cowens don't sell enough mechandise. Just look at San Antonio - how many national commercials do you see featuring the Spurs even they have the ultimate team guy and the ultimate team?

Guys like Cowens who would dive for loose balls and take charges are a dying breed in the NBA and the NBA is lesser for it.

Meaning what, Chris?
The era in which Dave Cowens thrived -- the pre-Magic/Bird 1970's -- was by any empirical measure the worst era in the modern history of any professional sports. Cocaine. Guns. The Finals -- with Dr. J and the Lakers -- on tape-delay on the networks. The NBA turned around because it was blessed with individual talents it could market. (And it turned around when the Larrys -- O'Brien and Fleischer -- managed to solve the labor-management issues by agreeing on the first salary-cap in history.) That the process may have gone too far is probably true, and the league is coming back slowly from those excesses. However, the era in which Cowens played was truly an awful one.
And Cowens could have played in the NBA at any time in history. A great, great player, and an interesting guy besides. Always sorry he was only a couple years too early for the Big Three Era.

Actually I think the worst era for any professional sport is the NHL today but I see your point.

Many people in Boston were blind to some of the issues facing the NBA because we came out of the 60's as a power house and had success in the early 70's with Havlicek and Cowens with Tommy Heinson as coach. It was only from 1976-1980 that there was a dry spell in basketball in the Hub of the Universe.

1980 of course saw the coming of the Basketball Jesus to Boston.

I just wish Cowens could have made peace with being a spare part through the 1981 title.
Just wasn't in him, I guess.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

Cowens was a team guy.

David Stern decided that it was stars that sold tickets and team guys like Cowens don't sell enough mechandise. Just look at San Antonio - how many national commercials do you see featuring the Spurs even they have the ultimate team guy and the ultimate team?

Guys like Cowens who would dive for loose balls and take charges are a dying breed in the NBA and the NBA is lesser for it.

Meaning what, Chris?
The era in which Dave Cowens thrived -- the pre-Magic/Bird 1970's -- was by any empirical measure the worst era in the modern history of any professional sports. Cocaine. Guns. The Finals -- with Dr. J and the Lakers -- on tape-delay on the networks. The NBA turned around because it was blessed with individual talents it could market. (And it turned around when the Larrys -- O'Brien and Fleischer -- managed to solve the labor-management issues by agreeing on the first salary-cap in history.) That the process may have gone too far is probably true, and the league is coming back slowly from those excesses. However, the era in which Cowens played was truly an awful one.
And Cowens could have played in the NBA at any time in history. A great, great player, and an interesting guy besides. Always sorry he was only a couple years too early for the Big Three Era.

Actually I think the worst era for any professional sport is the NHL today but I see your point.

Many people in Boston were blind to some of the issues facing the NBA because we came out of the 60's as a power house and had success in the early 70's with Havlicek and Cowens with Tommy Heinson as coach. It was only from 1976-1980 that there was a dry spell in basketball in the Hub of the Universe.

1980 of course saw the coming of the Basketball Jesus to Boston.

I just wish Cowens could have made peace with being a spare part through the 1981 title.
Just wasn't in him, I guess.

The Celtics had some real class guys finish their careers in green. I became a big Dave Bing fan and of course I wished that I could have watched Pistol Pete his whole career in green. Too bad that Cowens had that time in Milwaukee. It left a Dwight Evans in Baltimore taste.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

The legend is that Cowens just walked off the bus one night before an exhibiton game in Larry's rookie year.
Agree on the Milwaukee stint. Of course, since leaving the game, Dave's been something of a gypsy. Real good guy, too, and very smart.

 

[Boom_70]

Water boarding senior al Qaeda leaders sounds OK to me.

I am amused though that the ad on that page tells you to shoot seven dancing bears in the "hat" for a free laptop.

Chris L Great picture of Cowens. One of my all time favorite NBA players. Imagine if the NBA was made up of players who played the game like Cowens did. There would not be a problem with ratings or unsold tickets.

Cowens was a team guy.

David Stern decided that it was stars that sold tickets and team guys like Cowens don't sell enough mechandise. Just look at San Antonio - how many national commercials do you see featuring the Spurs even they have the ultimate team guy and the ultimate team?

Guys like Cowens who would dive for loose balls and take charges are a dying breed in the NBA and the NBA is lesser for it.

Meaning what, Chris?
The era in which Dave Cowens thrived -- the pre-Magic/Bird 1970's -- was by any empirical measure the worst era in the modern history of any professional sports. Cocaine. Guns. The Finals -- with Dr. J and the Lakers -- on tape-delay on the networks. The NBA turned around because it was blessed with individual talents it could market. (And it turned around when the Larrys -- O'Brien and Fleischer -- managed to solve the labor-management issues by agreeing on the first salary-cap in history.) That the process may have gone too far is probably true, and the league is coming back slowly from those excesses. However, the era in which Cowens played was truly an awful one.
And Cowens could have played in the NBA at any time in history. A great, great player, and an interesting guy besides. Always sorry he was only a couple years too early for the Big Three Era.

Cowens bridged 2 eras of the NBA

1 The early to mid 70's which I would deem the best era of NBA as far as quality of play

1972 - Cowens MVP Celtics were 68-14 and lost to Knicks in Eastern finals

1974 Celtics beat Bucks in 7 game NBA finals - might be best ever - game 7 Cowens 28 pts 14 RBS

1976 Celtics beat Suns in NBA final featuring what might be greatest NBA game ever - 3 OT game 5

2 - Post 1976 The Sydney Wicks / Spencer Haywood era - the worst in NBA history
Cowens could not deal with Wicks and Curtis Rowe and quit team to drive a cab.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Boom --
I love you, but if you think the 1974 Finals was the best ever, well, we part company there, my brother. The early 1970's were great if you were in Boston, NY, Philly, or LA. Terrible anywhere else, including Milwaukee, which I can attest to first-hand. (That's why KAJ wanted out so badly.) It's also why there was room for the ABA.

 

[Boom_70]

The legend is that Cowens just walked off the bus one night before an exhibiton game in Larry's rookie year.
Agree on the Milwaukee stint. Of course, since leaving the game, Dave's been something of a gypsy. Real good guy, too, and very smart.

The story is that the Celtics were down in San Antonio and Cowens decided to retire after game. He got on team bus and made teary emotional speech and then things went silent .

ML Carr in his way shouts out - " well get off the bus we got to go" the whole bus cracked up and it broke the ice.