Nice piece on Chuck Noll

[Oz]

Under Noll in 1991, the Steelers ranked 22nd in total defense (26th pass, 11th rush)
Under Cowher in 1992, the Steelers ranked 2nd in total defense (8th pass, 17th rush)

Under Noll in 1991, the Steelers ranked 17th in total offense (18th pass, 17th rush)
Under Cowher in 1992, the Steelers ranked 15th in total offense (21st pass, 4th rush)

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1992/
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1991/

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Cowher inherited mediocre to **** talent from Noll and did more than OK with it.

While you try to figure out what year it is ... you can try shifting the argument however you like, but you can start by admitting that your post got chopped down like a punter's foot in a Jack Del Rio locker room.

Don't contaminate this discussion with your usual bull****.

You haven't presented any evidence in your favor on this thread. Do it or step aside.

Right... others did beforehand.

 

[BYH]

He carried the ball 390 times and touched it 426 out of their 989 offensive plays.

If they had other weapons, they might have used them more often.

When did we begin talking about James Wilder again? :D :D :D

Nice comparison, actually, though even Foster's workload in 1992 doesn't come close to what Wilder did in '84.

Nor does Foster approach Wilder's lack of production with those touches.

I was just ****ing around with the Wilder mention, though he played for one of the worst teams in NFL history...so any production was impressive.

 

[outofplace]

He carried the ball 390 times and touched it 426 out of their 989 offensive plays.

If they had other weapons, they might have used them more often.

When did we begin talking about James Wilder again? :D :D :D

Nice comparison, actually, though even Foster's workload in 1992 doesn't come close to what Wilder did in '84.

Nor does Foster approach Wilder's lack of production with those touches.

I was just ****ing around with the Wilder mention, though he played for one of the worst teams in NFL history...so any production was impressive.

After that many touches in one season, being able to walk when it was over was impressive.

 

[Herbert Anchovy]

That's what I figured.

I'm not going to trifle with an imbecile who means only to incite.

Back to the outfield you go, Timmy Lupus.

It was fun. Well, no it wasn't, but you know.

 

[goalmouth]

The Noll piece failed to even mention once probably the most critical experience to inform his days as Steeler coach -- his playing days as a messenger guard for Paul Brown.

Otherwise, a fab-u-lous piece.

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

I think Noll, Lombardi, Johnson and Walsh are the only ones who can say they never lost one in multiple trips.

Not that he belongs on that particular Mount Rushmore of coaches, but . . . Tom Flores won two with no losses, same as Lombardi and Johnson.

 

[BYH]

I think Noll, Lombardi, Johnson and Walsh are the only ones who can say they never lost one in multiple trips.

Not that he belongs on that particular Mount Rushmore of coaches, but . . . Tom Flores won two with no losses, same as Lombardi and Johnson.

Oh for the love of ****, I am so sick of you Raiders fans jacking every thread to brag about your Committment To Excellence.

Why don't you just post the pics of the Lombardi Trophies too and be done with it?

:D

 

[Piotr Rasputin]

(It must be an old photo. The massive layer of dust that has gathered on them is not visible)

 

[BYH]

Don't you have a complete stranger to behead, Piotr?

 

[Bubbler]

(It must be an old photo. The massive layer of dust that has gathered on them is not visible)

It looks like the new-ish Raiders helmet was CGI'd/Photoshop'd into that pix.

 

[93Devil]

I think Noll, Lombardi, Johnson and Walsh are the only ones who can say they never lost one in multiple trips.

Not that he belongs on that particular Mount Rushmore of coaches, but . . . Tom Flores won two with no losses, same as Lombardi and Johnson.

You are right. He is a coach who has a legitimate gripe about being overlooked. Even though his Seattle numbers are awful, he did beat two very good coaches in the Super Bowl.

 

[Boom_70]

(It must be an old photo. The massive layer of dust that has gathered on them is not visible)

It looks like the new-ish Raiders helmet was CGI'd/Photoshop'd into that pix.

The Snake was not wearing that helmet. it's the Riddel Revolution which has only been out about 2 years.

 

[cyclingwriter]

Getting back to Noll, after a tough loss in the early 70s, a reporter asked him how he felt. Answer: With my hands.

That sort of sums up Noll. He was funny and a pain in the ass at the same time.

Also, the Noll/Cowher thing brings up the classic question of is talent or the coach more important? Cowher won with a lot of the guys that Noll was not winning with in the end.
Same is true of Vince Lombardi in Green Bay....Starr, Hornung, Taylor, Nitschke, Gregg, Ringo, the Kramers, McGee were all there in 58 when the team was 1-10-1. Three years laters they were NFL champs. Were they that talented or did Lombardi make them that good?

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

That's what I figured.

You figured something?

AWESOME!

Very happy for you and your breakthrough.