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I know the desk cut one part and tweaked another, but I like my gamer...


With just over five minutes left and momentum from an earlier 3-pointer in his pocket, Vestavia Hills’ Jordan Swing dribbled at the top of the key in front of Reggie Ragland, teasing and taunting his defender with every bounce. ¶
Swing spotted up, drained a second triple, turned to the Bob Jones’ crowd and screamed. ¶
With the Rebel’s yell, they were gone, gone, gone. ¶
Vestavia Hills pushed a five-point lead into nine – a chasm in Vestavia’s glacially patient offense. And when it was over, Swing’s 33 points led the unranked Rebels to a 61-52 AHSAA Class 6A title win over Bob Jones at the Birmingham Jefferson Convention Complex Arena on Saturday afternoon. ¶
“They were big 3’s and I had to hit them,” said Swing, who kicked in with four steals and six rebounds to go with 11 of 16 shooting from the floor. “I had missed a couple in the first half. (Ragland’s ) a great player. He played great defense and I was fortunate to hit a few.” ¶
It led to Vestavia Hills’ first state title since 1992 – long before most of these players were born. The reason was simple: Jordan ruled. ¶
“When he hit those two big 3’s, I knew we’d won,” said guard William Mims, who finished with six points on the 28-8 champions. “When he’s on, no one can stop him. He has presence out there.” ¶
There was more to it than that. The Rebels’ offense – deliberate in style, effective in delivery as they shot 55.9 percent (19 of 34) from the floor – set up for the best shot and wasn’t afraid to pull the ball out when it wasn’t there. ¶
The defense clogged the middle and took the perimeter away; the Patriots went 0-for-19 from 3-point range. This from a team that conceded it was bad last year and worse the year before. ¶
“The difference? A year. We want them to get better from their sophomore to junior and junior to senior years,” said Hatchett. “We’ve got a lot of guys who aren’t great players, but have great heart and intensity. Some of these guys don’t need to shoot. Defense is a big part of this.” ¶
Bob Jones (29-9) had a size advantage, but not someone like Swing. ¶
“You can talk about X’s and O’s but the bottom line is that we didn’t play that perfect game,” said Bob Jones coach Danny Petty. “We got in foul trouble big time.” ¶
Fouls actually got the Patriots back in the game in the first half after Vestavia went to a 20-13 lead and the Patriots turned that it in a 21-20 edge. And neither team took control until Swing’s 3’s turned a 39-38 deficit into a 48-39 lead. Bob Jones cut the lead to 55-50, but free throws over the last 1:06 preserved the win. ¶
“They did focus on Jordan. But it also put less pressure on us to do what we were supposed to do,” said Mims. “It let everyone else do their jobs.” ¶
Gordon had seven points and Bill Dillard added eight. Levi Randolph led the Patriots with 21 points – 12 in the second half, with Robert Finley and Ragland offering eight each. ¶
The win was the fourth-straight over a team ranked in the state’s top five; after beating No. 1 Pinson Valley and No. 2 Shades Valley at the Northeast Regional, they beat No. 5 Central-Phenix City in Thursday’s semifinal and third-ranked Bob Jones – as easy as 1-2-3. ¶
“it probably helped us,” said Swing. “We knew we were underestimated by everyone. After we beat Pinson Valley, we knew we could beat anyone else. We had nothing to lose and that’s how we played.” ¶
 
Pete Incaviglia said:
I love incorporating music in my stories and headlines when I'm desking.

Had to negotiate with the desk to keep that in... I lost Jordan Rules...
 
Not to nitpick, but this stuck out:

It led to Vestavia Hills’ first state title since 1992 – long before most of these players were born.

1992 was 17 years ago. Figure most of the players are between 15 and 18 years old. That's not really "long" before most of them were born, is it?
I liked the "Jordan ruled" bit though.
 
Love the "gone, gone, gone" bit. That definitely sounds like something that wouldn't have made it past our desk...meaning that it's creative and entertaining.
 
The lede was far too wordy and cliched. Sorry.
Also, there are no pockets in basketball uniforms and "drained a triple" doesn't do anything for me.

Get to the point.
 
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Notepad said:
The lede was far too wordy and cliched. Sorry.
Also, there are no pockets in basketball uniforms and "drained a triple" doesn't do anything for me.

Get to the point.

Since it was an afternoon game, played in the town the final was in, two TV newscasts between the end of the game and the time the paper hit the stands, I felt a different lead was in order.
There were only six seniors on the team; the coach said most weren't born. Our news side copy desk did ask for ages of the players -- which the sports desk collectively asked at.
i lost glacially patient offense too...
SE sent me a note tonight telling me that 75 percent of the readers didnt understand the third graf but the first two were good. I did not know the SE listened to Billy Idol.
True, there are no pockets in uniforms. And drained a triple was to avoid yet "hit another 3-pointer..."
It's a state title game hours before deadline; you can be a little more featurey...
 
slappy4428 said:
Notepad said:
The lede was far too wordy and cliched. Sorry.
Also, there are no pockets in basketball uniforms and "drained a triple" doesn't do anything for me.

Get to the point.

Since it was an afternoon game, played in the town the final was in, two TV newscasts between the end of the game and the time the paper hit the stands, I felt a different lead was in order.
There were only six seniors on the team; the coach said most weren't born. Our news side copy desk did ask for ages of the players -- which the sports desk collectively asked at.
i lost glacially patient offense too...
SE sent me a note tonight telling me that 75 percent of the readers didnt understand the third graf but the first two were good. I did not know the SE listened to Billy Idol.
True, there are no pockets in uniforms. And drained a triple was to avoid yet "hit another 3-pointer..."
It's a state title game hours before deadline; you can be a little more featurey...

You are the one who asked for some feedback.
And, I know how to be "featurey" without being cliched. Thanks.
It just seems that you waste a lot of words trying to be flowery...big difference between flowery and featurey.
Reign it back some and I think it could be good, and don't ask for feedback if you don't want honesty.
 
was explaining, not defending. As long as I've been doing this, I don't have to defend nothin to nobody.
As I said; since the game was early, I felt it needed more of a different lead than a straight gamer. If that was flowerly, then so be it.
When you start saying picking literal nits with "there are no pockets in uniforms"... well no ****.
 
Sure.
And you might want to work the record of Vestavia Hills somewhere in the story. Kind of important.
Also, get the record of Bob Jones a little higher than the 10th graf.

Those aren't nits.
 
Notepad said:
Sure.
And you might want to work the record of Vestavia Hills somewhere in the story. Kind of important.
Also, get the record of Bob Jones a little higher than the 10th graf.

Those aren't nits.

“When he hit those two big 3’s, I knew we’d won,” said guard William Mims, who finished with six points on the 28-8 champions. “When he’s on, no one can stop him. He has presence out there.” ¶

Glad you aren't on my desk....
 
slappy4428 said:
With just over five minutes left and momentum from an earlier 3-pointer in his pocket, Vestavia Hills’ Jordan Swing dribbled at the top of the key in front of Reggie Ragland, teasing and taunting his defender with every bounce. ¶
Swing spotted up, drained a second triple, turned to the Bob Jones’ crowd and screamed. ¶
With the Rebel’s yell, they were gone, gone, gone. ¶
How many points and boards for Billy Idol? I hear he's tough in the post, but no range on the jump shot. ;)

Seriously, I liked the lead -- as a desker, I wouldn't have changed a thing.
 
Pete Incaviglia said:
I love incorporating music in my stories and headlines when I'm desking.

If I had ever done it in seven years of writing, I would have at least used the correct lyrics. It's "more, more, more," not "gone, gone, gone."
 
FirstDownPirates said:
Pete Incaviglia said:
I love incorporating music in my stories and headlines when I'm desking.

If I had ever done it in seven years of writing, I would have at least used the correct lyrics. It's "more, more, more," not "gone, gone, gone."

I took liberties... it's what happens when you try to capture the spirit of the thing
 
slappy4428 said:
FirstDownPirates said:
Pete Incaviglia said:
I love incorporating music in my stories and headlines when I'm desking.

If I had ever done it in seven years of writing, I would have at least used the correct lyrics. It's "more, more, more," not "gone, gone, gone."

I took liberties... it's what happens when you try to capture the spirit of the thing

"Capturing the spirit" is a very subjective thing. A lot of your readers will love it and a lot (like me) will find it dense and unreadable. If you are okay with that, your call.
 
Not crazy about the Rebel yell reference but I have an even bigger problem with the cliched "drained another triple."


I'm also not sure if "spotted up" is the right term. I always think of spotting up as a guy without the ball going to a spot, and getting a pass for a catch-and-shoot.
A guy already dribbling doesn't "spot up," he might square up.
 
Not to open a huge can of worms here, but when it comes to gamers filed on deadline, I tend to go very light on the delete key.

Having done quite a bit of reporting and writing before joining the desk, my thoughts on editing news or sports stories goes like this:

1. The reporter was there; I wasn't.

2. His or her name is on the story; mine isn't.

That's not to say copy editors don't ask reporters to track down factual errors or to fix holes in stories. Obviously, that's our job.

But when it comes to matters of style or story angles, you don't rewrite the story for them.
 
spnited said:
Not crazy about the Rebel yell reference but I have an even bigger problem with the cliched "drained another triple."


I'm also not sure if "spotted up" is the right term. I always think of spotting up as a guy without the ball going to a spot, and getting a pass for a catch-and-shoot.
A guy already dribbling doesn't "spot up," he might square up.
I wasn't either, since it tends to lean as an ESPN term. But in two grafs like that, I just hate to use 3 pointer. Again.
Spot up to me was a sudden square up. Was way I've always used it.
But yours is an opinion I value.
 

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