Moved here or there?

[BertoltBrecht]

I only ask because I see some writers put "here" in their gamers, such as:

The ****town Nuggets beat the Podunk Express, 43-19, here Monday.

I have no idea why they do it and I don't like it, but in a related question.

Example, I'm working at the Plain-Dealer and I write a sentence that says:
Joe Schmoe liked the pizza in Ohio so much, he moved here.

Is it here or there? If the 'here' is here.

 

[amraeder]

I'd assume if you were writing for the PD, you could say he moved "here". But I really can't say I know for sure.
More to the point, if see: "The ****town Nuggets beat the Podunk Express, 43-19, here Monday." I die a little inside. Why would you ever say 'here'? It doesn't really explain anything. At all. We already assume you're at the place where the game was played. Say "at ****town Memorial Stadium" or something.

Edit: ****town Memorial Stadium has great cheese fries.

 

[Tom Petty]

I'd assume if you were writing for the PD, you could say he moved "here". But I really can't say I know for sure.
More to the point, if see: "The ****town Nuggets beat the Podunk Express, 43-19, here Monday." I die a little inside. Why would you ever say 'here'? It doesn't really explain anything. At all. We already assume you're at the place where the game was played. Say "at ****town Memorial Stadium" or something.

Edit: ****town Memorial Stadium has great cheese fries.

i guess some folks love to emphasize the dateline.

stupid? yes.

 

[BertoltBrecht]

But we have to tell people we were there!

 

[Tom Petty]

But we have to tell people we were there!

i was here, bert.

 

[BertoltBrecht]

It's too bad datelines aren't uncontrollable.
There's this SE I know near me whose datelines would all read: ON MY ASS IN FRONT OF MY DESK —

 

[Tom Petty]

It's too bad datelines aren't uncontrollable.
There's this SE I know near me whose datelines would all read: ON MY ASS IN FRONT OF MY DESK —

that's kinda funny, but i know four sports writers near me who's datelines would read: TOO LAZY TO JERK OFF.

 

[Joe Williams]

There's this SE I know near me whose datelines would all read: ON MY ASS IN FRONT OF MY DESK —

By Jayson Blair
Times Staff Writer

[b]ON MY ASS IN FRONT OF MY DESK -- [/b]

....

 

[Some Guy]

You see "here" a lot in the first graf of stories in which you don't want to repeat the dateline city right away:

KIRKUK, Iraq -- A pipe bomb went off in a city market Thursday in Kirkuk, Iraq ...

is kind of clunky.

KIRKUK, Iraq -- A pipe bomb went off in a city market here Thursday ...

sounds much better.

However, why anyone would use that construction in a game story is beyond me ... especially when you probably need to get the name of the stadium in, anyway.

 

[spnited]

"Here" is where I'm reading the story... ain't no football games being played "here," ain't no car bombs going off "here."
Totally useless word.

 

[Joe Williams]

You see "here" a lot in the first graf of stories in which you don't want to repeat the dateline city right away:

KIRKUK, Iraq -- A pipe bomb went off in a city market Thursday in Kirkuk, Iraq ...

is kind of clunky.

KIRKUK, Iraq -- A pipe bomb went off in a city market here Thursday ...

sounds much better.

However, why anyone would use that construction in a game story is beyond me ... especially when you probably need to get the name of the stadium in, anyway.

This sounds better still:

KIRKUK, Iraq -- A pipe bomb went off in a city market Thursday ...

We already know where. You told us: Kirkuk, Iraq. Or did you type the dateline for no reason?

 

[Some Guy]

This sounds better still:

KIRKUK, Iraq -- A pipe bomb went off in a city market Thursday ...

I don't know. I still think you need a more specific "where" than the city market. I know it says right there in the dateline, but still. You never see the where left out in a sentence like that. AP, for instance, almost always uses "here" or "in the heart of this southern Iraqi province" or some other variation.

It just doesn't sound right otherwise.

Personally, I almost never have a reason to use such a construction. But I can see why it's done, on occasion. Especially in news writing.

 

[Mystery_Meat]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

 

[captzulu]

I hate "here". Just say where here is. It only takes a couple more words. By writing "here", you're forcing people to have to refer back to the dateline to figure out where "here" is, especially if it's some place they don't commonly read about. When I was editing sports copy, I replaced "here" wherever I saw it.

 

[Some Guy]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Used correctly, I think "here" can reflect some intimacy and immediacy.

It has no business in anybody's gamer.

 

[Tom Petty]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Used correctly, I think "here" can reflect some intimacy and immediacy.

It has no business in anybody's gamer.

do you also like the word "that"?

 

[Some Guy]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Used correctly, I think "here" can reflect some intimacy and immediacy.

It has no business in anybody's gamer.

do you also like the word "that"?

no.

 

[Tom Petty]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Used correctly, I think "here" can reflect some intimacy and immediacy.

It has no business in anybody's gamer.

do you also like the word "that"?

no.

that is as immediate as here. here is for retards.

 

[Some Guy]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Used correctly, I think "here" can reflect some intimacy and immediacy.

It has no business in anybody's gamer.

do you also like the word "that"?

no.

that is as immediate as here. here is for retards.

I don't really understand what you're getting at.

"Here" can show some intimacy. If I hear that a bomb went off "here," subtly I'm transported to the thick of the action. "That" is an extra word in a sentence (that) you don't need. "That" adds nothing. "Here" can, if used properly, add something.

I can't believe I'm so vehemently defending a word (that) I never use. But there (here) you go.

 

[Tom Petty]

Here is an All Things Considered construction. It gives the impression that you're in the heart of the storm, the middle of the action. It's a parlor trick used to convey an intimacy with the text, invasiveness instead of detachment. For features and analysis, I have no beef with it. When it's in a high school football gamer, I have a steakhouse's worth of beef with it, because it adds nothing but either an unnecessary modifier or a pretentiousness that doesn't befit the occasion.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Used correctly, I think "here" can reflect some intimacy and immediacy.

It has no business in anybody's gamer.

do you also like the word "that"?

no.

that is as immediate as here. here is for retards.

I don't really understand what you're getting at.

"Here" can show some intimacy. If I hear that a bomb went off "here," subtly I'm transported to the thick of the action. "That" is an extra word in a sentence (that) you don't need. "That" adds nothing. "Here" can, if used properly, add something.

I can't believe I'm so vehemently defending a word (that) I never use. But there (here) you go.

my point is, here is as much as a throwaway word as that. here is 1970s crap, pure and unbridled crap.