Militia movement

[Stitch]

Why did patriots not put up much of a fight when the W. administration eroded constitutional rights, but suddenly picked up steam when Barack Hussein Obama was elected?

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/07/10602763-election-economy-spark-explosive-growth-of-militias

 

[heyabbott]

The militias and tea partiers are defenders of the status quo. Essentially they are Tory loyalists, no more desirous of revolution or change than a dead man is desirous of an enema.

 

[cyclingwriter]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

 

[bigpern23]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

According to the article linked, their numbers peaked in 1994, then dropped sharply under W. and rebounded beginning in 2008. They jumped from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 in the most recent report.

 

[deskslave]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

According to the article linked, their numbers peaked in 1994, then dropped sharply under W. and rebounded beginning in 2008. They jumped from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 in the most recent report.

Nothing like people who believe that the world's shining beacon of democracy is in mortal danger every time the party they don't like wins an election.

 

[franklin lincoln]

I think this has more to do with a post-9/11 softening of those individuals at the margins of these groups, where they become more sympathetic to the government, than anything else.

As we move further away from 9/11, those feelings are dissipating.

 

[zagoshe]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

According to the article linked, their numbers peaked in 1994, then dropped sharply under W. and rebounded beginning in 2008. They jumped from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 in the most recent report.

Nothing like people who believe that the world's shining beacon of democracy is in mortal danger every time the party they don't like wins an election.

This is no different than the wacko hippies camping out in cities whining about rich people.

No different, other than those idiiots are on your side of the aisle so people of your ilk see it differently, as if it is some sort of a noble cause.

 

[Azrael]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

According to the article linked, their numbers peaked in 1994, then dropped sharply under W. and rebounded beginning in 2008. They jumped from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 in the most recent report.

Nothing like people who believe that the world's shining beacon of democracy is in mortal danger every time the party they don't like wins an election.

This is no different than the wacko hippies camping out in cities whining about rich people.

Except for the bombs and the guns, sure.

 

[Dick Whitman]

How much also has to do with psychological empowerment by the Heller decision by the Supreme Court, which seems to also coincide with the 2008 uptick?

Seems like a perfect storm set of factors here - BO's election, Heller, 9/11 receding into the rearview mirror, etc.

 

[TigerVols]

I covered a pretty high-profile trial in CoCoMo back in the 80s that involved the infamous Covenant, Sword, and the Arm of the Lord organization and it looked to me like the militia movement was pretty strong even then.

 

[Mystery Meat II]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

According to the article linked, their numbers peaked in 1994, then dropped sharply under W. and rebounded beginning in 2008. They jumped from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 in the most recent report.

Nothing like people who believe that the world's shining beacon of democracy is in mortal danger every time the party they don't like wins an election.

This is no different than the wacko hippies camping out in cities whining about rich people.

Except for the bombs and the guns, sure.

He was referring, I imagine, to the ideal and not the execution. Love the country until the elephant/donkey takes office. See also: celebrities and common folk insisting they would move to Canada should W win election.

 

[Azrael]

militia movements were growing for the past decade....

According to the article linked, their numbers peaked in 1994, then dropped sharply under W. and rebounded beginning in 2008. They jumped from 824 in 2010 to 1,274 in the most recent report.

Nothing like people who believe that the world's shining beacon of democracy is in mortal danger every time the party they don't like wins an election.

This is no different than the wacko hippies camping out in cities whining about rich people.

Except for the bombs and the guns, sure.

He was referring, I imagine, to the ideal and not the execution. Love the country until the elephant/donkey takes office. See also: celebrities and common folk insisting they would move to Canada should W win election.

The two groups aren't rhetorically equivalent. They have substantial material differences, not the least of which is that the 'hippies' haven't blown anyone up.

 

[Bob Cook]

Also, that the hippies don't believe license plates on their cars are a mark of oppression and Satan.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

I covered a pretty high-profile trial in CoCoMo back in the 80s that involved the infamous Covenant, Sword, and the Arm of the Lord organization and it looked to me like the militia movement was pretty strong even then.

The CSA and Elohim City and the various white supremacist groups were around back then. Waco and Ruby Ridge boosted their numbers. It took OKC before LEOs got serious about dealing with them.

If Obama is reelected, their numbers will continue to grow. Eventually, they'll do something again. I figure the next major terrorist attack on US soil will be done by a militia member, not a Muslim.

 

[YGBFKM]

You can only hope.

 

[Armchair_QB]

I covered a pretty high-profile trial in CoCoMo back in the 80s that involved the infamous Covenant, Sword, and the Arm of the Lord organization and it looked to me like the militia movement was pretty strong even then.

The CSA and Elohim City and the various white supremacist groups were around back then. Waco and Ruby Ridge boosted their numbers. It took OKC before LEOs got serious about dealing with them.

If Obama is reelected, their numbers will continue to grow. Eventually, they'll do something again. I figure the next major terrorist attack on US soil will be done by a militia member, not a Muslim.

What if it's a Muslim militia member? Who do we blame for that? The GOP or Obama?

 

[Beaker]

I've seen some of these "sovereign citizens" in court. They're absolutely nuts.

 

[Inky_Wretch]

You can only hope.

Except that's not what I said at all. And you're smart enough to know that, when you aren't trolling.

Denying the danger posed by the militia movement is moronic. And thanks to their growth, it's just a matter of time before some them decide it's time to act. The last time the militias grew like this the Murrah Building was bombed.

 

[I Should Coco]

I've seen some of these "sovereign citizens" in court. They're absolutely nuts.

Yup.

Had an interesting case in my area: Some of these "sovereigns" were in a dispute with their landlord over rent. The landlord drove a front-end loader into their house to express his displeasure, with the renters inside. But since the sovereign citizens don't like the court system (and, thankfully, were able to get out before they got hurt), they never showed in court and the case was dropped.

http://www.cdapress.com/news/local_news/article_fd3481dc-623e-11e1-a0b1-0019bb2963f4.html

The alleged victims in the case were unavailable testify at trial, according to Bonner County Prosecutor Louis Marshall. Marshall said the family’s patriarch, a dyed-in-the-wool sovereign citizen, declined to let his wife and two children testify because he does not acknowledge the legitimacy of Idaho’s government.

 

[Bob Cook]

This reminds me, whatever happened to Linda Thompson? I had the displeasure of her living in my coverage area when I had to cover the sovereign-nation nutballs in the 1990s. I don't see any evidence of her being active after 2002.

I think someone got to her! It's a conspiracy!