"Michele's Must Read List"

Sports Journalists Forum – Media, Newsroom & Reporting Talk

Help Support Sports Journalists Forum:

Dick Whitman

Well-Known Member
Joined
May 1, 2009
Messages
45,703
Ryan Lizza has a tremendous profile of Michele Bachmann in this week's New Yorker, detailing her religious influences through the years, as well as some of the contradictions in her biography. (A lot of this feels strangely like Hillary Clinton to me - I'm recalling the Saul Alinsky stuff as well as the dodging-bullets-in-Bosnia tall tale.)

Included on the aforementioned "must read" list from her Web site was a 1997 biography of Robert E. Lee by J. Steven Wilkins, a historian who is part of a movement to frame the Civil War as a theological war between the secular North and Christian South, a place where slave owners kept their slaves out of - get this - benevolence, because the savages were not ready to be released into the world until they were converted.

To wit:

Slavery, as it operated in the pervasively Christian society which was the old South, was not an adversarial relationship founded upon racial animosity. In fact, it bred on the whole, not contempt, but, over time, mutual respect. This produced a mutual esteem of the sort that always results when men give themselves to a common cause. The credit for this startling reality must go to the Christian faith. ... The unity and companionship that existed between the races in the South prior to the war was the fruit of a common faith.


Story also notes that Bachmann's campaign team is very uncomfortable whenever she starts spouting off about how the Founding Fathers battled hard to abolish slavery, even the ones who owned slaves. According to the theory underpinning her belief is that those Founding Fathers kept their slaves out of - wait for it - belevolence.

From a book by her law school mentor, which she assisted with: "Many Christians opposed slavery even though they owned slaves. ... It might be very difficult for a freed slave to make a living in that economy; under such circumstances setting slaves free was both inhumane and irresponsible."

I'm wondering if Bachmann will eventually have a serious Jeremiah Wright problem on her hands.
 
she doesn't read "all of them?"

Tread lightly folks. Some of you seem to think politics are OK again. Not. We're trying to give some leeway because, well, just because. But some threads in recent days have proven to us that is a mistake. If you can't respond without sounding like a bitter asshole, PLEASE do us all a favor and go somewhere else. I wake up to 10 whiny PMs again, we'll have no choice but to go totally politics free.
 
Thought about putting it on the Journalism Board because I thought Lizza did a great job uncovering some of this. (As he did in a Darrell Issa story a few months ago.)

He definitely seems to be the Jon Stewart of the print media right now, in some ways. Not afraid to look underneath the candidate's official narrative for contradictions and half-truths.
 
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find that the leading Republican candidate thinks Jesus condoned slavery.
 
LeCranke said:
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, to find that the leading Republican candidate thinks Jesus condoned slavery.

You're still here?
 
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. Product prices and availability are accurate as of the date/time indicated and are subject to change.
President Obama likely sat back watching the Iowa straw poll reportage and breathed a heavy sigh of relief.
This woman, as I said a few months ago, doesn't stand a chance of being elected.
 
In defense of this idea, some owners did treat slaves very well.

And some were conflicted about it. Robert E. Lee among them.

But some people take real nice care of their cars, too.
 
Ace said:
In defense of this idea, some owners did treat slaves very well.

And some were conflicted about it. Robert E. Lee among them.

But some people take real nice care of their cars, too.

One can certainly make an argument that it's not all, er, black and white (seriously, I'm looking for another phrase here...ah, sod it. No pun intended, OBVIOUSLY).

But one can't make that argument AND run for president at the same time.
 
... maybe you could find the eye of the needle and still pull it off, but don't forget that she also signed that pledge that included the specious bit about how Af-Am families were "better off" during slavery. Can't massage the electoral math in any way that overcomes that combo.

It's all moot, anyway. It'll be Perry.
 
Ace said:
In defense of this idea, some owners did treat slaves very well.

And some were conflicted about it. Robert E. Lee among them.

But some people take real nice care of their cars, too.

Andrew Jackson was one of the classic cases . . . and when he was riding high, he wasn't too damn conflicted about it.
 
Killick said:
... maybe you could find the eye of the needle and still pull it off, but don't forget that she also signed that pledge that included the specious bit about how Af-Am families were "better off" during slavery.

Sure. You can count on a capitalistic owner to feed, house and clothe you moreso than Big Government.
 
Blitz said:
This woman, as I said a few months ago, doesn't stand a chance of being elected.

After reading Matt Taibbi's profile on her, I don't think that's the case at all. She's the best campaigner in the field.
 
NoOneLikesUs said:
Blitz said:
This woman, as I said a few months ago, doesn't stand a chance of being elected.

After reading Matt Taibbi's profile on her, I don't think that's the case at all. She's the best campaigner in the field.

I don't see how she gets on the ticket, but she's being very well-advised by a proven pro, and is
performing to the best of her bizarre abilities.
 
Blitz said:
President Obama likely sat back watching the Iowa straw poll reportage and breathed a heavy sigh of relief.
This woman, as I said a few months ago, doesn't stand a chance of being elected.

I don't think he did. Romney didn't put up much of an effort in the straw poll, which is basically who can payoff the most people to vote for them. It was telling that she got that many people to come out and signify their support for her, but by no means was this an indication for what will happen in January/February.

Also, this isn't the first time Bachmann has been in trouble for something like this. She also signed that pledge that had the "African American children had a more stable family base after they were slaves than when Obama was in office" in it. I think she got caught up in one part of the book and glossed over or didn't read the other part, which if true is pretty scary.
 
I'm sure the slaves were heartbroken that they had to leave those lavish plantations where they had made such comfortable lives.

Its great when the dominant class tells the underclass how they should live their lives because the dominant class "knows better" than the underclass. Really? You know what the slaves wanted and felt?
 
The New Yorker story, like I said, is tremendous. The slave stuff is the most salacious, but really the tip of the iceberg. I saw someone online call it an "intellectual biography" of Bachmann, and that's a pretty good description. Lizza really does his homework. If I'm any national pol and he calls my people to do a profile, many sleepless nights ensue.
 
There are times when I wish I could just keep pressing the fast forward button until it's December 2012, so that I'd miss all the build-up and election.

But then, I'd just get older more quickly and not really take the necessary time to really enjoy all those pieces of pie. Perhaps I could hit the pause button for those.

And, perhaps I've been watching "The Upside Down Show" with my son a bit too much.
 
Ace said:
In defense of this idea, some owners did treat slaves very well.

And some were conflicted about it. Robert E. Lee among them.

But some people take real nice care of their cars, too.

Also, some might say the Nazis were good at first, before they went to far.
 

Latest posts

Back
Top