Michael Curry's suits

[chiefwiggum]

Sure, they are really ugly. But strangely, eerily beautiful. Like those pictures of landfills from far away.

http://blog.mlive.com/flintjournal/its_just_sports/2009/02/michael_curry_may_not_be_a_goo.html

 

[sportschick]

I find the blue checked one strangely attractive.

 

[old_tony]

Suits aside, is the situation the Pistons find themselves in the fault of Curry or of Joe Dumars for trading away a great team player and leader in Billups for a loser like Allen Iverson?

The Pistons -- and Curry -- made their NBA reps on hard-nosed defense. Iverson was the main defender when Ramon Sessions (who?) went off for 44 and 12 assists recently. Would Chauncey Billups ever have let that happen? No.

 

[Evil Bastard (aka Chris_L)]

Joe Dumars knows what he's doing. He knew he wouldn't be going anywhere in the playoffs against the Celtics or Cavs. Iverson's mega deal comes off the books sooner than Billups contract which will allow the Pistons to make a run at a major free agent and restock the team.

 

[Double Down]

Iverson is a ****ty defender, but Chauncey Billups is insanely overrated.

 

[Some Guy]

Iverson is a ****ty defender, but Chauncey Billups is insanely overrated.

"Insanely overrated?"

I don't know about that. It's not like he's in the MVP discussion or anything like that. He made the All-Star team as a reserve, which seems about right.

I'm not sure exactly who is "overrating" him, much less "insanely."

Without him, the Nuggets were barely a playoff team. Now they might be the second-best team in the West.

With him, the Pistons were a solid enough contender against Boston and Cleveland. Without him, they might not make the playoffs.

Seems simple enough.

 

[mustangj17]

Joe Dumars knows what he's doing. He knew he wouldn't be going anywhere in the playoffs against the Celtics or Cavs. Iverson's mega deal comes off the books sooner than Billups contract which will allow the Pistons to make a run at a major free agent and restock the team.

If Joe Dumars knew what he was doing he would have never hired Michael Curry. He would have never traded Billups who is evidently, what held that team together. You know what else, he probably should have kept Mehmet Okur as well instead of someone like Rasheed Wallace whose lazy defense cost them a second title in '05. His lazy defense cost them again in '08. You know what else, they could have kept Memo instead of Ben Wallace too cause he went for money anyway. Every day it becomes more apparent that Dumars fudged it up.

I won't credit him for that championship in '04, or getting back to the finals in '05. That was 100 percent Larry Brown. Now I hate Larry Brown, but no other coach would have taken the Lakers down like that and gone toe to toe with the Spurs. It's been a steady decline ever since.

Rasheed's technical meldowns versus Miami in '06.
Getting burned by Boobie in '07.
Exposed by the Celtics in '08.
Terrible '09 campaign.

This can't be put on Curry because he is over his head. Should never have been asked to be the head coach.

All these knocks are without the Darko situation. The only reason I don't dwell on that is because in a roundabout way that turned into the Stuckey pick - but oh JOE D screwed that one up. Trading away Billups then benching Iverson, then benching Hamilton, now he has 3 guards that don't work together instead of two starters and an up and comer.

Joe has made some strong moves over the years, getting Prince with the No. 22 pick in was it '02, trading an aging Jerry Stackhouse for Hamilton in '02 I think and the sign and trade for Atkins/Wallace. But Atkins got benched once Billups came to town and didn't last long, Wallace left for money.

Rasheed was a steal, but he cost Memo because of cap reasons.

I can count his good moves on one hand... I can't count his bad ones on one hand.

1. Running Carlysle out of town. Not a big deal because we got Larry, but then he bolted. And you had to know it was going to happen.
2. Trying to regulate playing time, stripping Flip of his authority and firing him.
3. Hiring Curry.
4. Trading away Billups.
5. Allowing 'Sheeds attitude and lazy defense to be okay. Keeping him around for 3 years too long.
6. Drafting Mateen Cleaves
7. Drafting Rodney White - do I have that name right, or was it someone else?
8. Darko....
9. Signing Kwame Brown to a 4 million dollar deal. What a ****ing bust.
10. Letting Memo go.
11. Letting the alternators go: Williamson/Jon Barry
12. Trying to clear cap room with the idea that he can cut Wallace and Iverson when he thinks players like Bosh or Carmello (players who could be in Detroit already if it weren't for Darko) will sign in a year or two.

What free agent has Dumars ever lured? I remember them making a huge push about 8 years ago for T-MAC, and Duncan. Same deal as before with the cap space and they couldn't make it happen. And he won't make it happen again, because he never gets free agents, save Antonio McDyess, that poor poor man, who I am sure wishes he would have signed with the Celtics right about now. **** Joe Dumars.

 

[mustangj17]

Oh and Michael Curry's window pane suits are a crime against basketball. And his son is a ****ty wide receiver too.

 

[Bob Cook]

I'm surprised you left out his continuing employment of Mason. Because I think that's the only thing you left out.

 

[mustangj17]

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[Knighthawk]

What free agent has Dumars ever lured?

Billups, although it wasn't exactly a huge bidding war. He came to Detroit specifically because of Dumars, who had been his idol.

The move that killed this version of the Pistons was losing Ben Wallace. In 2004-06, they had three of the best 25 players in the NBA in Wallace, Billups and Prince, and should have won at least two titles. Wallace was the most valuable player on that team, because they could ignore his offensive limitations and let him do what he does. It's exactly what is happening this year in Cleveland.

Wallace leaves, and then they trade Billups for Allen Iverson, apparently not considering that they run a low-low-tempo offense that already featured Richard Hamilton. Add in a coach that has no clue how to adjust to the skills of his roster - it's like watching Rod Marinelli or Luis Pujols - and you've got a disaster.

The funny thing is that the Palace does employ a GM who has been every bit as good as Dumars is supposed to be - Bill Laimbeer. I'm not even beginning to claim that he's going against the same level of basketball brains as Dumars, but he has constantly robbed the other WNBA teams blind since 2003.

 

[king cranium maximus IV]

Submitted without comment.

 

[Starman]

Joe Dumars knows what he's doing. He knew he wouldn't be going anywhere in the playoffs against the Celtics or Cavs. Iverson's mega deal comes off the books sooner than Billups contract which will allow the Pistons to make a run at a major free agent and restock the team.

If Joe Dumars knew what he was doing he would have never hired Michael Curry. He would have never traded Billups who is evidently, what held that team together. You know what else, he probably should have kept Mehmet Okur as well instead of someone like Rasheed Wallace whose lazy defense cost them a second title in '05. His lazy defense cost them again in '08. You know what else, they could have kept Memo instead of Ben Wallace too cause he went for money anyway. Every day it becomes more apparent that Dumars fudged it up.

I won't credit him for that championship in '04, or getting back to the finals in '05. That was 100 percent Larry Brown. Now I hate Larry Brown, but no other coach would have taken the Lakers down like that and gone toe to toe with the Spurs. It's been a steady decline ever since.

Rasheed's technical meldowns versus Miami in '06.
Getting burned by Boobie in '07.
Exposed by the Celtics in '08.
Terrible '09 campaign.

This can't be put on Curry because he is over his head. Should never have been asked to be the head coach.

All these knocks are without the Darko situation. The only reason I don't dwell on that is because in a roundabout way that turned into the Stuckey pick - but oh JOE D screwed that one up. Trading away Billups then benching Iverson, then benching Hamilton, now he has 3 guards that don't work together instead of two starters and an up and comer.

Joe has made some strong moves over the years, getting Prince with the No. 22 pick in was it '02, trading an aging Jerry Stackhouse for Hamilton in '02 I think and the sign and trade for Atkins/Wallace. But Atkins got benched once Billups came to town and didn't last long, Wallace left for money.

Rasheed was a steal, but he cost Memo because of cap reasons.

I can count his good moves on one hand... I can't count his bad ones on one hand.

1. Running Carlysle out of town. Not a big deal because we got Larry, but then he bolted. And you had to know it was going to happen.
2. Trying to regulate playing time, stripping Flip of his authority and firing him.
3. Hiring Curry.
4. Trading away Billups.
5. Allowing 'Sheeds attitude and lazy defense to be okay. Keeping him around for 3 years too long.
6. Drafting Mateen Cleaves
7. Drafting Rodney White - do I have that name right, or was it someone else?
8. Darko....
9. Signing Kwame Brown to a 4 million dollar deal. What a ****ing bust.
10. Letting Memo go.
11. Letting the alternators go: Williamson/Jon Barry
12. Trying to clear cap room with the idea that he can cut Wallace and Iverson when he thinks players like Bosh or Carmello (players who could be in Detroit already if it weren't for Darko) will sign in a year or two.

What free agent has Dumars ever lured? I remember them making a huge push about 8 years ago for T-MAC, and Duncan. Same deal as before with the cap space and they couldn't make it happen. And he won't make it happen again, because he never gets free agents, save Antonio McDyess, that poor poor man, who I am sure wishes he would have signed with the Celtics right about now. **** Joe Dumars.

Yikes, I won't/can't/don't want to argue with 98% of your post, but everyone always forgets one thing:

The Pistons won the 2004 championship for one reason: The Lakers melted down/self-destructed because of the infantile egotistical refusal of Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal to bury the hatchet and play together for five more games.

The Pistons simply happened to be the lucky team standing across the court when that whole situation went down in flames. Any reasonably-good playoff-level team would have beaten the Lakers after that.

All of a sudden, Dumars and Brown were anointed as geniuses, and the Wallace "Bros." lionized as these fiery competitors, the "quintessential winners." We've seen what Ben Wallace has won since he left the Pistons, and every one of the Pistons' playoff flameouts since 2005 have had one central component: a meltdown/mental collapse of Rasheed Wallace at crucial moments.

When you acquire Larry Brown or Rasheed Wallace, you know exactly how it's going to end. The only question is how long it takes, and how much of a fiasco it's going to be when it finally does end.

 

[Oz]

Wait, there's an NBA suits column and it doesn't involve this man?

 

[JakeandElwood]

Mason is horrible. Just awful.

 

[RossLT]

Suits aside, is the situation the Pistons find themselves in the fault of Curry or of Joe Dumars for trading away a great team player and leader in Billups for a loser like Allen Iverson?

The Pistons -- and Curry -- made their NBA reps on hard-nosed defense. Iverson was the main defender when Ramon Sessions (who?) went off for 44 and 12 assists recently. Would Chauncey Billups ever have let that happen? No.

How can you say AI is a loser?

 

[mustangj17]

Joe Dumars knows what he's doing. He knew he wouldn't be going anywhere in the playoffs against the Celtics or Cavs. Iverson's mega deal comes off the books sooner than Billups contract which will allow the Pistons to make a run at a major free agent and restock the team.

If Joe Dumars knew what he was doing he would have never hired Michael Curry. He would have never traded Billups who is evidently, what held that team together. You know what else, he probably should have kept Mehmet Okur as well instead of someone like Rasheed Wallace whose lazy defense cost them a second title in '05. His lazy defense cost them again in '08. You know what else, they could have kept Memo instead of Ben Wallace too cause he went for money anyway. Every day it becomes more apparent that Dumars fudged it up.

I won't credit him for that championship in '04, or getting back to the finals in '05. That was 100 percent Larry Brown. Now I hate Larry Brown, but no other coach would have taken the Lakers down like that and gone toe to toe with the Spurs. It's been a steady decline ever since.

Rasheed's technical meldowns versus Miami in '06.
Getting burned by Boobie in '07.
Exposed by the Celtics in '08.
Terrible '09 campaign.

This can't be put on Curry because he is over his head. Should never have been asked to be the head coach.

All these knocks are without the Darko situation. The only reason I don't dwell on that is because in a roundabout way that turned into the Stuckey pick - but oh JOE D screwed that one up. Trading away Billups then benching Iverson, then benching Hamilton, now he has 3 guards that don't work together instead of two starters and an up and comer.

Joe has made some strong moves over the years, getting Prince with the No. 22 pick in was it '02, trading an aging Jerry Stackhouse for Hamilton in '02 I think and the sign and trade for Atkins/Wallace. But Atkins got benched once Billups came to town and didn't last long, Wallace left for money.

Rasheed was a steal, but he cost Memo because of cap reasons.

I can count his good moves on one hand... I can't count his bad ones on one hand.

1. Running Carlysle out of town. Not a big deal because we got Larry, but then he bolted. And you had to know it was going to happen.
2. Trying to regulate playing time, stripping Flip of his authority and firing him.
3. Hiring Curry.
4. Trading away Billups.
5. Allowing 'Sheeds attitude and lazy defense to be okay. Keeping him around for 3 years too long.
6. Drafting Mateen Cleaves
7. Drafting Rodney White - do I have that name right, or was it someone else?
8. Darko....
9. Signing Kwame Brown to a 4 million dollar deal. What a ****ing bust.
10. Letting Memo go.
11. Letting the alternators go: Williamson/Jon Barry
12. Trying to clear cap room with the idea that he can cut Wallace and Iverson when he thinks players like Bosh or Carmello (players who could be in Detroit already if it weren't for Darko) will sign in a year or two.

What free agent has Dumars ever lured? I remember them making a huge push about 8 years ago for T-MAC, and Duncan. Same deal as before with the cap space and they couldn't make it happen. And he won't make it happen again, because he never gets free agents, save Antonio McDyess, that poor poor man, who I am sure wishes he would have signed with the Celtics right about now. **** Joe Dumars.

Yikes, I won't/can't/don't want to argue with 98% of your post, but everyone always forgets one thing:

The Pistons won the 2004 championship for one reason: The Lakers melted down/self-destructed because of the infantile egotistical refusal of Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal to bury the hatchet and play together for five more games.

The Pistons simply happened to be the lucky team standing across the court when that whole situation went down in flames. Any reasonably-good playoff-level team would have beaten the Lakers after that.

All of a sudden, Dumars and Brown were anointed as geniuses, and the Wallace "Bros." lionized as these fiery competitors, the "quintessential winners." We've seen what Ben Wallace has won since he left the Pistons, and every one of the Pistons' playoff flameouts since 2005 have had one central component: a meltdown/mental collapse of Rasheed Wallace at crucial moments.

When you acquire Larry Brown or Rasheed Wallace, you know exactly how it's going to end. The only question is how long it takes, and how much of a fiasco it's going to be when it finally does end.

I can agree with the Shaq/Kobe point, but the Pistons really played above themselves in that series and throughout the playoffs under Larry Brown. I will give him a lot of credit for those two seasons. I simply don't think Carlysle could have won it or made it to two straight title games. Although, I wish Carlysle was the coach right now. He knows what he's doing he's a major reason that team is where it is today.

 

[Big Chee]

LOL!!!

I was just on the TPF Sportswebsite this morning who was cracking on his wears in their college basketball rankings.

http://www.talkingpointfreesports.com/article.aspx?s=6000&su=14000&a=101300&t=The_College_Hardwood_Top_10_Review%3a_Week_14

 

[mustangj17]

LOL!!!

I was just on the TPF Sportswebsite this morning who was cracking on his wears in their college basketball rankings.

http://www.talkingpointfreesports.com/article.aspx?s=6000&su=14000&a=101300&t=The_College_Hardwood_Top_10_Review%3a_Week_14

For real…..you’re an NBA head coach and you wear that soul-ass Michael Irvin collection? I shouldn’t be able see your exact suit and tie combo on the clearance rack at Marshall’s.