Merged: The Imus threads

[zagoshe]

knowledge, please stop you become more and more absurd every time you post.

You just unwound your entire argument by admitting there is INDEED A DOUBLE STANDARD, which is what I have been saying this entire time and you have been trying to dispute.

Thanks for proving my point with your own stupidity, again.

And I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain MMAC's post was written with a high degree of sarcasm to illustrate just how silly that double standard is.

White people don't march and protest to try and get black people fired, not because they are not offended but because the worst thing in the world that could happen to a white person these days is to be labeled a racist, which is exactly what would happen.

 

[Peytons place]

What I don't understand is how someone even semi-educated doesn't realize some words are more offensive than others. A white person using the n-word is more offensive than a black person using the word "cracker" and there are many valid and real reasons for that. It's not really a double standard. Some words hurt more than others. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[knowledge54]

knowledge, please stop you become more and more absurd every time you post.

We can keep calling each other stupid all day, but the posts speak for themselves. Once again, you are lost and confused. Even after all this time you still don't even know what my argument is. I never denied that there was a double standard as far how society will tolerate black people making fun of whites more than vice versa, I'm just saying that this Imus situation doesn't fit in the double standard. Imus's comments got him fired because he went after a specific group of college girls who hadn't done anything to him or anyone else. If Imus were a black man talking about white women, I still think he would've been fired or at least suspended.

I think we bump are bumping heads because you have a need to defend Imus at all cost, which has caused you to try and cloud the issue. You think he shouldn't have been fired and your are pulling anything out of ya ass to try and support that position. 1st you tried to equate Imus to rappers and black comedians who make fun of white people and use words like "cracker". I tried to explain why Imus making his comments on national live radio is different than some comedian or rapper performing in a nightclub, but you seemed incapable of grasping that concept. You just seem stuck on why our society says it's ok for black people to make fun of white people and not vice versa, even tho that's a totally separate issue from this Imus situation. That's when I tried to explain why that double standard exists. Trust, I'm not cosigning everything Mmac is saying in this thread and maybe he was being sarcastic, but he was still right. Maybe he understands the reasons why words like "cracker" and "honky" don't hurt or offend white people the way a word like "******" coming from a white person hurts/offends black people, maybe he doesn't. At least he has a clue as to how society works though, it's obvious you don't have the slightest clue.

Let me explain my position on this Imus situation for you, I think the comments made by Imus and his crew were mean-spirited and racist. I could care less about him losing his job because I understand that the only reason he was fired is because of the bottomline. He wasn't fired because of his comments, he was fired because his comments brought his employers a ****load of negative attention. At the same time I don't feel sorry for him because he has made millions by making comments and "jokes" like these, this time he just got burned.

What I don't understand is how someone even semi-educated doesn't realize some words are more offensive than others. A white person using the n-word is more offensive than a black person using the word "cracker" and there are many valid and real reasons for that. It's not really a double standard. Some words hurt more than others. Why is that so hard to understand?

People like Zagoshe are just a little slower than others, some people just don't have a lot of common sense.

 

[Mmac]

And I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain MMAC's post was written with a high degree of sarcasm to illustrate just how silly that double standard is.

No, zagoshe, that wasn't exactly sarcasm. What gets me is the way some people (apparenty including yourself) seem to think these "double standards" are something imposed upon us dictatorially and involuntarily by some sort of liberal ruling class. Bull****, in essence we as a democratic society have chosen our current unwritten rules of acceptable speech through our collective reactions.

White people may no longer get away with publicly uttering black slurs because the black community (and much of the white community) has now clearly determined that is something they will not tolerate without demanding severe consequences. The same does not apply when black people say the same words because, for whatever reason, we're not as offended and choose not to have a comparable reaction. Likewise, white slurs like cracker/honkey etc. are more permissible simply because, through our muted reaction, we've communicated that we really don't find them to be that terribly offensive. We could change that by reacting stronger and demanding consequences, but don't because frankly most of us aren't that upset about use of those words.

Take, for example, gay slurs like faggot/fag etc., which were once less forbidden and more commonly used until the gay community concluded it wasn't gonna tolerate it anymore and began upping its outrage and demanding consequences whenever someone publicly used those terms. As a result, the rules changed and those words can now kill a career and reputation nearly as easily as the dreaded n-word. By applying similar pressures, the native American community has effectively changed the rules regarding several once-permissible now-forbidden Indian terms and symbols in recent years.

So, Zagoshe, if the cracker/honkey type terms really bug you so much, start expressing outrage, organizing, and demanding consequences against those who use it. Perhaps others will join your movement and you will one day change our society's tolerance level for such terms, but more likely you'll be ignored or laughed at because most of us don't feel any real pain or significant anger from hearing those words--at least not comparable to what most blacks would feel upon hearing one of us throw the n-word at em.

 

[henryhenry]

TV One is airing the 30th anniversary re-run of 'Roots.'

good show. painful.

something tells me that if Imus had watched it he would have been more careful.

but i wonder if, 30 years further removed from jim crow and segregation, it is still as relevent.

new generation - new attitudes. i wonder if 'Roots' would be as important if it were aired today for the first time.

 

[IU90]

I'd say Roots has lost some importance after scandals in subsequent years revealing that it was mostly fictionalized (recall that Haley originally claimed it as a retelling of his actual geneological tree) and that large portions of the book were plagiarized from the works of a white author (which I believe Haley later even confessed). Nonetheless, the mini-series really was a groundbreaking American event and nobody can deny the enormous impact it had at the time.

 

[zagoshe]

Defending Imus? Knowledge get a clue. We haven't talked about Imus in days. If it makes you feel better to say I'm defending Imus than fine throw a party. That just shows about immature and shallow you really are.

We're talking about double standards that exist and yes, there is indeed a liberal ruling class when it comes to these matters and it has successfully bamboozled blacks into always having to play the victim card -- and use it as a crutch to wash away all sins -- and they also have successfully framed every debate or discussion about race in this country to the point where we actually have people, allegedly educated people, not only admitting but DEFENDING the fact that there is indeed a double standard that exists and that because white people once owned slaves, blacks are allowed to get away with saying whatever they damn well please.

And every time this fact is pointed out -- it is shouted down by the same groups of victims and their enablers in the media and Hollywood. And the majority of native Americans -- if you look at actual surveys and polling data -- don't have a problem with sports teams names -- it is a small but loud group of people who feel the need to be victims and their enablers in the NCAA, which is an organization so full of political correctness it has become exhibit A of why our educational system sucks so bad.

So Dave Chappelle wants to use words like Honkey, like cracker, like white boy (I mean, imagine if someone called knowledge BlackBoy), like spick, like Jap and Fag or faggot -- all words I have heard him use by the way-- that somehow that's OK. That's different.

What's offensive is offensive, period. And until we start treating all people -- regardless of their color, their job or who their constituents are -- that use offensive, racist, bigotted and/or sexist terms the same we will never move forward as a country united.

This double standard is exactly why white many people don't take the plight of black people seriously. It is why there is such a backlash when the Al Sharpton crowd comes out of the woodwork to rally for a cause.

I thought Newsday's Shaun Powell - a black man by the way -- nailed it when he said there is an element of fraud in the people so "outraged" about the Imus thing considering the only time they seem to get riled up in matters of race is when the offended party is black.

Until that changes, these discussions are moot.

That is ridiculous and frankly as a black man that is insulting.

 

[knowledge54]

You are clearly too close minded and stupid to understand the simplest of things. This whole conversation is about you defending Imus you dumb****. The only reasson you are talking about a double standard is in an attempt to defend Imus and support your claim that he was unfairly fired. Somehow you are blaming black people for this whole situation, just look at your posts. According to you, this whole thing is about black people playing the "victim" card and using it as a crutch to wash away all sins(I don't even know what that dumbass statement means). Here's a serious question, did you fully comprehend and understand the things that Mmac just said in his post? I ask because your response does not reflect that at all. Mmac didn't defend the double standard at all, he was simply trying to explain to you why it exists. Seriously, you are coming across as a complete idiot.

 

[Mighty_Wingman]

something tells me that if Imus had watched it he would have been more careful.

Now that's funny.

 

[zagoshe]

Knowledge -- The worst part about a guy like you is you think you know but you really don't. And pardon the pun, but you calling someone closed minded is sort of like the pot calling the kettle black...

This isn't about Imus, but unfortunately for you, it is clear that when any discussion gets above your ability to color by numbers with crayons you just keep saying the same dumb - and meaningless -- **** over and over and over and over and hope it sticks, sort of like the good reverand Al.

Get a life and a clue, please.

I understand completely what MMAC said but can you understand and fully comprehend this -- THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. And when people like you begin to understand and put that into practice, well, maybe, just maybe we will have a real discussion about race in this country.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

"There is indeed a liberal ruling class when it comes to these matters and it has successfully bamboozled blacks into always having to play the victim card ..."

I gotta get me some of these mushrooms.

 

[zagoshe]

Mushrooms? I thought people of your ilk were more into puffing the magic dragon and singing the song while you are doing it.

 

[writing irish]

Cough, cough...there's those blacks playing the victim card again...cough...you see that don'cha little girl? Or are you in the liberal ruling class?

 

[German Ethel Merman]

Ka-ching.


Rutgers Coach Parlays Don Imus Flap Into Book Deal

Rutgers women's basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer, in the public eye for much of the last two weeks after Don Imus called her players "nappy-headed hos," has signed a contract to write her autobiography.


"It's about an incredible woman with an extraordinary life story," said Tina Constable, executive vice president for publicity at Crown, who declined to say how much the company will pay Stringer. "She's a pioneer, a legend, an icon and a role model."

Although the Imus incident is obviously going to be the main selling point for the book, it should be noted that Stringer's life story was interesting even before Imus insulted her team. She has 777 coaching wins, she is the only women's coach to have taken three teams to the Final Four, she has a daughter who was paralyzed by spinal meningitis, she has a son who was kicked off the North Carolina State football team for his role in a fight that led to someone being shot and killed. It's a book that could be worth a read.

 

[zagoshe]

And -- of course under the radar -- the enlightened and sensitive administration at Rutgers are being taken to task by the mother of a sexual assault victim, whose son signed a letter of intent to play for Greg Schiano and the Scarlet Knights.

The mother says she informed all of the administrators, Schiano and anyone who she could get a hold of to warn them that they were signing a sexual predator who would have to register as a sexual offender under meghan's law but was given the brush off.

Prediciably when the story started getting out -- especially since it was on the heels of the good people of Rutgers scolding Imus and lecturing the world about sexism -- the school, with red face, revoked dude's scholarship. That tells me there is no question that, had the Imus flap not happened, he'd be lining up to play for Rutgers next year.

Yet another example of the level of hypocrisy by the people who whine and cry the loudest about injustices, perceived or real, in the world.

 

[IU90]

Ka-ching.


Rutgers Coach Parlays Don Imus Flap Into Book Deal

Rutgers women's basketball coach C. Vivian Stringer, in the public eye for much of the last two weeks after Don Imus called her players "nappy-headed hos," has signed a contract to write her autobiography.


"It's about an incredible woman with an extraordinary life story," said Tina Constable, executive vice president for publicity at Crown, who declined to say how much the company will pay Stringer. "She's a pioneer, a legend, an icon and a role model."

Although the Imus incident is obviously going to be the main selling point for the book, it should be noted that Stringer's life story was interesting even before Imus insulted her team. She has 777 coaching wins, she is the only women's coach to have taken three teams to the Final Four, she has a daughter who was paralyzed by spinal meningitis, she has a son who was kicked off the North Carolina State football team for his role in a fight that led to someone being shot and killed. It's a book that could be worth a read.

Kaching, indeed, looks like Imus got Vivian a new beach house.

 

[shockey]

any word on who the ghost-writer is?

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

So ****ing what?
Imus got what was coming to him.
She's going to write a book.

 

[zagoshe]

I'm sure being as enlightened as she is she will donate all the proceeds to the rainbow coalition as well as shelters for abused women.

She certainly isn't an opportunist like the greedy capitalistic white male coaches, she cares dammit.

 

[knowledge54]

"There is indeed a liberal ruling class when it comes to these matters and it has successfully bamboozled blacks into always having to play the victim card ..."

I gotta get me some of these mushrooms.

That guy is the dumbest person I've came in contact with in a real long time. People left and right are trying to school him and it's of no use. I give up.