Max Kellerman is an idiot

[QYFW]

ESPN Host: Notre Dame's Fighting Irish Mascot Is Offensive, Needs to Change

 

[mpcincal]

Drew Litton is one of the syndicated cartoonists we have access to at our paper, and he had a good effort this week.

 

[Baron Scicluna]

The Yankees should change their name because they remind the South that they lost the Civil War.

 

[Azrael]

I know this is making the rounds among alt-right sports nitwits like Clay Travis, but yeah, lots of folks consider the idea of a combative, drunken Irishman a derogatory stereotype.

 

[RonClements]

I understand why some are irked by Chief Wahoo, but that doesn't mean "Indians" is offensive. Or Braves. Or Chiefs.
And yeah, Notre Dame's combative leprechaun is a good example, too.

The name Redskins is bad, but not all Native American team nicknames are foul – Ron Clements Sports

 

[The Big Ragu]

I know this is making the rounds among alt-right sports nitwits like Clay Travis, but yeah, lots of folks consider the idea of a combative, drunken Irishman a derogatory stereotype.

It's a Leprechaun. It's a fairy tale from Irish folklore that goes back centuries. They invented it themselves.

Now granted, a lot of the pictures of leprechauns we see nowadays originated from derogatory caricatures and stereotypes of the Irish when there was the great immigration the 19th century due to the famine. But still, that particular mascot strikes me as pretty harmless and actually kind of spot on. It's an Irish folklore symbol for a school that goes by the fighting Irish. ... in a fighting stance, which is perfect for football. And even if you think the depiction itself is somehow a negative Irish stereotype in this day and age (and I personally don't see it), you'd be hard pressed to find Irish people in America today being treated anywhere near the way they were when they were getting off the boats in the 1840s.

 

[YankeeFan]

I know this is making the rounds among alt-right sports nitwits like Clay Travis, but yeah, lots of folks consider the idea of a combative, drunken Irishman a derogatory stereotype.

Notre Dame does not depict their mascot as drunken in any way. Not in the logo. Not in official merchandise. Not in the character, the leprechaun, that appears at games.

 

[TyWebb]

I understand why some are irked by Chief Wahoo, but that doesn't mean "Indians" is offensive. Or Braves. Or Chiefs.
And yeah, Notre Dame's combative leprechaun is a good example, too.

The name Redskins is bad, but not all Native American team nicknames are foul – Ron Clements Sports

Of course "Indians" could be considered offensive. They weren't from ****ing India.

 

[TyWebb]

Notre Dame does not depict their mascot as drunken in any way. Not in the logo. Not in official merchandise. Not in the character, the leprechaun, that appears at games.

As a fan of an SEC team, I believe if any mascot is going to be portrayed as drunk it be one of ours. We've earned it.

 

[Azrael]

Rockne may have been Norwegian, but he had the Irish flair for storytelling and drama. A natural salesman, he hired student press agents to tell the team’s story. Some of them began using the “Fighting Irish” nickname to characterize the underdog tenacity of his teams. They found a way to turn the derisive taunt, with its suggestion of drunken brawling, into an expression of triumph. Some students came to cherish the nickname. By owning the epithet, they transformed it into a symbol of pride. In the 1960s, the same process would be repeated for the leprechaun, which had traditionally been an English caricature of the Irish. Now, it’s the team mascot.

Why Fighting Irish // University of Notre Dame

 

[YankeeFan]

As a fan of an SEC team, I believe if any mascot is going to be portrayed as drunk it be one of ours. We've earned it.

I'm sure it's the same everywhere, but there is, sadly, a lot of drunkenness associated with a Notre Dame football game.

College kids are dumb, easily influenced, and don't know there limits.

On game day, the drinking begins early, and especially when they're playing a night game, the drinking can become dangerous for a lot of young kids.

That said, the school is careful to not encourage drinking, and they do not associate drunkenness with their mascot.

 

[QYFW]

Death, taxes, Az being THAT GUY.

 

[YankeeFan]

Rockne may have been Norwegian, but he had the Irish flair for storytelling and drama. A natural salesman, he hired student press agents to tell the team’s story. Some of them began using the “Fighting Irish” nickname to characterize the underdog tenacity of his teams. They found a way to turn the derisive taunt, with its suggestion of drunken brawling, into an expression of triumph. Some students came to cherish the nickname. By owning the epithet, they transformed it into a symbol of pride. In the 1960s, the same process would be repeated for the leprechaun, which had traditionally been an English caricature of the Irish. Now, it’s the team mascot.

Why Fighting Irish // University of Notre Dame

Yeah. Of course.

I used the present tense in my reply.

 

[CD Boogie]

It's a Leprechaun. It's a fairy tale from Irish folklore that goes back centuries. They invented it themselves.

Now granted, a lot of the pictures of leprechauns we see nowadays originated from derogatory caricatures and stereotypes of the Irish when there was the great immigration the 19th century due to the famine. But still, that particular mascot strikes me as pretty harmless and actually kind of spot on. It's an Irish folklore symbol for a school that goes by the fighting Irish. ... in a fighting stance, which is perfect for football. And even if you think the depiction itself is somehow a negative Irish stereotype in this day and age (and I personally don't see it), you'd be hard pressed to find Irish people in America today being treated anywhere near the way they were when they were getting off the boats in the 1840s.

And yet is still widely acceptable to make fun of redheads. No one bats an eye when you say “beat them like a redheaded stepchild” or says “gingers have no souls” or makes fun of them for looking other. Probably because they’re Irish, can take it and are not complete pussies

 

[QYFW]

As an Arkansas grad, I think "Hogs" is offensive to overweight alums like myself.

 

[TyWebb]

I'm sure it's the same everywhere, but there is, sadly, a lot of drunkenness associated with a Notre Dame football game.

College kids are dumb, easily influenced, and don't know there limits.

On game day, the drinking begins early, and especially when they're playing a night game, the drinking can become dangerous for a lot of young kids.

That said, the school is careful to not encourage drinking, and they do not associate drunkenness with their mascot.

One of UGA's most popular cheers ends with "... ain't nothing finer in the land/than a drunk, obnoxious Georgia fan."

This is not a "school-sanctioned" cheer, of course, but one that I'm sure started in the student section a long time ago.

Not that I'm trying to compete on which school is drunkest. There are just a few schools in the south that own it a little more proudly than others.

 

[Azrael]

ACTUALLY, Kellerman is being that guy.

I'm just disputing the craven opportunists like Clay Travis.

 

[QYFW]

I agree on Kellerman. He seems to have staked out that territory and is running with it.

 

[QYFW]

ACTUALLY, Kellerman is being that guy.

I'm just disputing the craven opportunists like Clay Travis.

Craven is such a great word. One of the more underrated.

 

[Michael_ Gee]

One of UGA's most popular cheers ends with "... ain't nothing finer in the land/than a drunk, obnoxious Georgia fan."

This is not a "school-sanctioned" cheer, of course, but one that I'm sure started in the student section a long time ago.

Not that I'm trying to compete on which school is drunkest. There are just a few schools in the south that own it a little more proudly than others.

Somewhere I don't remember at least a year ago I read an article ranking US cities by the amount of self-reporting binge drinking. Almost all of them were Midwestern towns that have Big 10 or Big 12 schools. In fairness, none of them were in first place. That went to Green Bay.