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Just to finish the thought here - because I'm sure he cruises the internet looking for his own mentions - the reason we can label Clay Travis a craven opportunist is not that he takes contrarian positions for money. Lots of folks make a fine living doing exactly that these days.

What makes Clay Travis a coward is that he so often has to misrepresent the thing he purports to oppose.

He lies, then argues against the lie.

Wait, you're arguing that he makes a strawman argument, that's easy to beat up, and that's what bothers you about him?

Oh, do I wish we could mention politics on this thread, because I seem to remember a politician of some acclaim who made that a regular habit.
 
To me, the main issue is appropriation. Who came up with and is using the nickname? Is it that racial/ethnic group, consciously using it as an expression of pride, and perhaps even thumbing their nose in the eye of others who might use it as a slur against them? Or has it been appropriated by outsiders – usually a bunch of white guys – who think using the nickname of the marginalized group is funny or fierce or cool?

I'm an Irish Catholic and grew up a Notre Dame fan. We always considered Notre Dame an Irish Catholic institution, at least in origin. Therefore we took pride in the "Fighting Irish" nickname.

However if some super WASPy school/sports team – or God forbid, one in England – had decided to call themselves the "Fighting Irish" because they think that Irish people like to get drunk and fight so it's a funny mascot, well, I would not be happy at all.

I wrote for a paper in Lafayette, La., where the University of Louisiana-Lafayette calls itself the Ragin' Cajuns. Again, that was a name taken in pride by an institution founded primarily by a bunch of Cajuns in what's basically the capital of Cajun Land (Lafayette bills itself as the "Hub City of Acadiana"). If some school/sports team in New York or California had dubbed themselves the "Cajuns" because they think the Cajuns talk funny and like to drink, and rolled out a mascot in overalls like the guys from the Boudreaux and Thibodeaux skits (or the guy from The Waterboy), I think the real Cajuns would be none too pleased.

This is why I always find it ridiculous when Redskins fans defend the name by giving an example of some high school on a Native American reservation that calls themselves the Redskins. Exactly! They have a right to call themselves that. You don't.
 
Just to finish the thought here - because I'm sure he cruises the internet looking for his own mentions - the reason we can label Clay Travis a craven opportunist is not that he takes contrarian positions for money. Lots of folks make a fine living doing exactly that these days.

What makes Clay Travis a coward is that he so often has to misrepresent the thing he purports to oppose.

He lies, then argues against the lie.

Practicing for a Congressional run?
 
Wait, you're arguing that he makes a strawman argument, that's easy to beat up, and that's what bothers you about him?

Oh, do I wish we could mention politics on this thread, because I seem to remember a politician of some acclaim who made that a regular habit.

Practicing for a Congressional run?


There are plenty of honest arguments to make in sports. Lots of ways to frame a debate, whether you're arguing what happens on the field or around it.

Clay Travis misrepresents other people's positions for money.

So, speaking of strawmen, let's share this with Mr. Travis when he drifts by.


The Hollow Men by T S Eliot
 
Kellerman thinks the leprechaun should go and they didn't put him on the white noise espn radio morning show to argue with Golic? Talking points might not even have had to be written for Golic.
 
Death, taxes, Az being THAT GUY.

I like when @YankeeFan and @Azrael post for similar reasons - they both bring a brand of "whataboutism" to the table that I find useful, though they obviously come from different sides of the table. Neither one always connects - they both can drop a turd from time to time - but for the most part they usually make you have to test your own position a little more than you had. I enjoy it.
 
I like when @YankeeFan and @Azrael post for similar reasons - they both bring a brand of "whataboutism" to the table that I find useful, though they obviously come from different sides of the table. Neither one always connects - they both can drop a turd from time to time - but for the most part they usually make you have to test your own position a little more than you had. I enjoy it.

Stunned that you enjoy cowardice, trolling, lying and hypocrisy ...

Edited to add bolded ...
 
Oh, I wish I had a barrel of rum and sugar three thousand pounds,
A college bell to put it in and a clapper to stir it round.
I'd drink to all the good fellows who come from far and near.
I'm a ramblin', gamblin', hell of an engineer!

My school has a fight song, one of the lines of which, later in the song, described student life thusly: "having sex, smoking doobs, and quaffing ale."

Well, at our convocation, with thousands of proud parents sitting in the arena, our school's resident meathead won some award for meatheadedness and began to sing the song from the stage. (It starts with "Raise a toast...") The graduates join in, singing heartily away, until the fateful line approached, and they realized en masse that their parents were sitting there watching and, more important, listening.

From a rousing chorus to silence mid-song. Meathead bows his head and walks off the stage.
 
I like when @YankeeFan and @Azrael post for similar reasons - they both bring a brand of "whataboutism" to the table that I find useful, though they obviously come from different sides of the table. Neither one always connects - they both can drop a turd from time to time - but for the most part they usually make you have to test your own position a little more than you had. I enjoy it.

I can only hope that @Azrael is as flattered by the comparison as I am.
 
No truly drunk student population could support such a complicated fight song. UGA's on the other hand ...

Glory, glory to ol' Georgia
Glory, glory to ol' Georgia
Glory, glory to ol' Georgia
And to hell with (name of that week's opponent)

It is the "Louie, Louie" of fight songs, perfect for drunken mumbling.

Uh.... no, it's not that week's opponent. It's "To hell with Georgia Tech."

And Tech's fight song includes the lines:

If I had a daughter, sir, I'd dress her in white and gold
And put her on the campus to cheer the brave and bold
But if i had a son, sir, I tell you what he'd do
He would yell "To hell with Georgia"
Like his daddy used to do
 
Oh, I wish I had a barrel of rum and sugar three thousand pounds,
A college bell to put it in and a clapper to stir it round.
I'd drink to all the good fellows who come from far and near.
I'm a ramblin', gamblin', hell of an engineer!

Thank you for standing up for drunken engineers everywhere.
 
Ten thousand Pi Phi ******* who get down upon their knees
But the ones that we hold true, the ones that we hold dear
Are the ones who stay up late at night and take it in the rear
 
What makes Clay Travis a coward is that he so often has to misrepresent the thing he purports to oppose.

He lies, then argues against the lie.

Yeah, this tactic would kinda be like falsely suggesting the ND mascot depicts drunkenness to support the Kellerman argument on this issue.

I believe someone did that earlier in this thread.
 
Yeah, this tactic would kinda be like falsely suggesting the ND mascot depicts drunkenness to support the Kellerman argument on this issue.

I believe someone sorta did that earlier in this thread.

I didn't do that.

I referred back to the etymology and history of the phrase to make the point that Max Kellerman isn't an idiot.
 
I further bolstered that asserti0n with a link to ND's own website.
 
Uh.... no, it's not that week's opponent. It's "To hell with Georgia Tech."

And Tech's fight song includes the lines:

If I had a daughter, sir, I'd dress her in white and gold
And put her on the campus to cheer the brave and bold
But if i had a son, sir, I tell you what he'd do
He would yell "To hell with Georgia"
Like his daddy used to do

****, I guess me and all my fellow Georgia graduates have been getting it wrong every week.
 

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