Mark Madden column for the ages...

[zagoshe]

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

Very, very true.

That said, I cannot believe a fine regional paper like the Beaver County Times still gives Madden column inches.

93 -- At the rate that paper is downsizing and laying people off, what choice do they have but to go find someone to work for $50 a story in order to have some by-lines generated locally and not attached to the words "Associated Press"....

I mean, this paper used to be good - now it is a **** bag.

They used to staff Pirates games with one of the best baseball guys around -- John Parotto (sp?), they've recently annuonced they are scaling their Pirates coverage way back - to the point where he won't even really be a beat writer.

The Monday after Pitt's final home game, they gave their Pitt writer -- he covered all the home games -- his walking papers along with like 10 others in the news room.

It is, like so many others, a sinking ship, so yeah, given what its become they have no choice but to lay in bed with the Mark Madden's of this world -- a big name (at least locally) who might draw some attention to the paper and who is willing to do anything to have a column, including work for $50 a story.......

 

[Bubbler]

Oh please, Markvid, are you related to Bob Smizik? You must be because it seems like you have a real hard-on to try and get Mark Madden, who is a shock jock and nothing more.

And this column is what it is and frankly he is right -- among the idiotic suspensions we've seen in PC America this is numero uno.

I mean, give me a ****ing break -- a guy could punch someone on the ice, break his jaw and get less games -- if any -- than a guy who makes some juvenile remarks about his old girlfriends.

This country is becoming scary and it is because too many people are too quick to endorse censorship-like punishments handed out to those they think are jerks or disagree with politically or they don't like their style.

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

As for Madden, he is what he is, he's a shock jock who obviously gets good ratings and is popular. He's increased the ratings for his station in his time slot in a very short period of time and that's why they hired him.

I don't disagree with you about the suspension. It is stupid.

However, any argument/screed that is based around, "this country is becoming ..." is automatically dubious in my book.

Next comes it's cousin. The "we're a nation of pussies" argument/screed.

 

[markvid]

Oh please, Markvid, are you related to Bob Smizik? You must be because it seems like you have a real hard-on to try and get Mark Madden, who is a shock jock and nothing more.

And this column is what it is and frankly he is right -- among the idiotic suspensions we've seen in PC America this is numero uno.

I mean, give me a ****ing break -- a guy could punch someone on the ice, break his jaw and get less games -- if any -- than a guy who makes some juvenile remarks about his old girlfriends.

This country is becoming scary and it is because too many people are too quick to endorse censorship-like punishments handed out to those they think are jerks or disagree with politically or they don't like their style.

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

As for Madden, he is what he is, he's a shock jock who obviously gets good ratings and is popular. He's increased the ratings for his station in his time slot in a very short period of time and that's why they hired him.

Zag, he was big enough a moron to compare Sean Avery to Rosa Parks.
I rest my case.
And he's done nothing to the ratings. NOTHING.

 

[zagoshe]

Zag, he was big enough a moron to compare Sean Avery to Rosa Parks.
I rest my case.
And he's done nothing to the ratings. NOTHING.

He's taken them from nothing to at least a blip on the radar -- that's something

 

[DisembodiedOwlHead]

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

If there was government action taken against Avery, sure. But there has never been a constitutional right to free speech in private enterprise. This misinterpretation of the First Amendment happens too frequently.

 

[zagoshe]

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

If there was government action taken against Avery, sure. But there has never been a constitutional right to free speech in private enterprise. This misinterpretation of the First Amendment happens too frequently.

Wrong -- I am not misinterpreting anything.

I am reacting to the fact that every time one of these idiotic suspensions/firings happen -- to punish speech -- the people who didn't like the speaker or what he had to say celebrate it as if this is a good thing, someone's speech being silenced or punished -- even if it is by a private corporation.

And that is where the slippery slope part of it comes -- the next step is silliness like the fairness doctrine, which is government-sanctioned, and since people are so quick to celebrate punishment of speech they don't agree with, well, how can it be bad? Right?

It is never good to celebrate the infringement on certain rights, even if it is by a private enterprise, because people aren't usually saavy enough or smart enough to make that distinction, so when the government does start putting in laws which punish speech or infringe upon speech, the same groups of people are celebrating it because they don't know any better.

The response should be that people don't buy tickets to the NHL, don't buy merchandise and send a clear message that we take our ability to speak freely seriously......

 

[93Devil]

I can see the connection between what happened to The Dixie Chicks at the start of the Iraq War and what is happening to Avery.

Granted, it is a connection as thin as a thread, but they both spoke openly about something and were punished for it.

It's tough to see that in this country.

 

[shotglass]

I can see the connection between what happened to The Dixie Chicks at the start of the Iraq War and what is happening to Avery.

Granted, it is a connection as thin as a thread, but they both spoke openly about something and were punished for it.

It's tough to see that in this country.

The thin thread holding that connection together snaps when you take the subject matter in both instances into consideration.

I mean, really.

 

[markvid]

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

If there was government action taken against Avery, sure. But there has never been a constitutional right to free speech in private enterprise. This misinterpretation of the First Amendment happens too frequently.

Wrong -- I am not misinterpreting anything.

I am reacting to the fact that every time one of these idiotic suspensions/firings happen -- to punish speech -- the people who didn't like the speaker or what he had to say celebrate it as if this is a good thing, someone's speech being silenced or punished -- even if it is by a private corporation.

And that is where the slippery slope part of it comes -- the next step is silliness like the fairness doctrine, which is government-sanctioned, and since people are so quick to celebrate punishment of speech they don't agree with, well, how can it be bad? Right?

It is never good to celebrate the infringement on certain rights, even if it is by a private enterprise, because people aren't usually saavy enough or smart enough to make that distinction, so when the government does start putting in laws which punish speech or infringe upon speech, the same groups of people are celebrating it because they don't know any better.

The response should be that people don't buy tickets to the NHL, don't buy merchandise and send a clear message that we take our ability to speak freely seriously......

As the NHL has the right to tell their employees they represent the league and acting like a jackass isn't the portrayal they want.

 

[Smasher_Sloan]

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

If there was government action taken against Avery, sure. But there has never been a constitutional right to free speech in private enterprise. This misinterpretation of the First Amendment happens too frequently.

Wrong -- I am not misinterpreting anything.

I am reacting to the fact that every time one of these idiotic suspensions/firings happen -- to punish speech -- the people who didn't like the speaker or what he had to say celebrate it as if this is a good thing, someone's speech being silenced or punished -- even if it is by a private corporation.

And that is where the slippery slope part of it comes -- the next step is silliness like the fairness doctrine, which is government-sanctioned, and since people are so quick to celebrate punishment of speech they don't agree with, well, how can it be bad? Right?

It is never good to celebrate the infringement on certain rights, even if it is by a private enterprise, because people aren't usually saavy enough or smart enough to make that distinction, so when the government does start putting in laws which punish speech or infringe upon speech, the same groups of people are celebrating it because they don't know any better.

The response should be that people don't buy tickets to the NHL, don't buy merchandise and send a clear message that we take our ability to speak freely seriously......

I know a guy who was covering a high school football game. Gets to the school and doesn't like the press box set-up. Seats are occupied by fans/friends, no place to work, etc. So he starts yelling, "**** this," and that it's a bunch of bull**** and that the ****ing asshole school had better learn how to do things right because he's not putting up with this third-rate piece of **** set-up.

One of the school administrators hears this and calls the managing editor of the paper on Monday to complain. Guy is called in and confirms that he lost his temper and the account of what happened was accurate. He was given a suspension and ordered to write a letter of apology.

Was the paper wrong? Did it punish "speech?" Or did it reprimand an employee who represented the paper in way the paper deemed to be unacceptable?

Are our rights to free speech threatened because of what happened to this guy?

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

It's a massive -- and massively stupid -- overreaction. Another piece of Bettmanian stupidity but, unfortunately, in this country, we have allowed the government to subcontract the abridgement of our civil liberties to every other institutional entity in our lives. Try to go through life -- hell, try to go through high school -- without taking a drug test which, without cause, is a pretty obvious violation of Amendments IV and V. I short, I agree with zag -- except about The Fairnes Doctrine, on which he's got to stop listening to the talk-radio morons and to George Will -- but don't see any turning back, alas.

 

[markvid]

It is a very slippery slope when we start allowing and celebrating punishment of speech.

If there was government action taken against Avery, sure. But there has never been a constitutional right to free speech in private enterprise. This misinterpretation of the First Amendment happens too frequently.

Wrong -- I am not misinterpreting anything.

I am reacting to the fact that every time one of these idiotic suspensions/firings happen -- to punish speech -- the people who didn't like the speaker or what he had to say celebrate it as if this is a good thing, someone's speech being silenced or punished -- even if it is by a private corporation.

And that is where the slippery slope part of it comes -- the next step is silliness like the fairness doctrine, which is government-sanctioned, and since people are so quick to celebrate punishment of speech they don't agree with, well, how can it be bad? Right?

It is never good to celebrate the infringement on certain rights, even if it is by a private enterprise, because people aren't usually saavy enough or smart enough to make that distinction, so when the government does start putting in laws which punish speech or infringe upon speech, the same groups of people are celebrating it because they don't know any better.

The response should be that people don't buy tickets to the NHL, don't buy merchandise and send a clear message that we take our ability to speak freely seriously......

I know a guy who was covering a high school football game. Gets to the school and doesn't like the press box set-up. Seats are occupied by fans/friends, no place to work, etc. So he starts yelling, "**** this," and that it's a bunch of bull**** and that the ****ing asshole school had better learn how to do things right because he's not putting up with this third-rate piece of **** set-up.

One of the school administrators hears this and calls the managing editor of the paper on Monday to complain. Guy is called in and confirms that he lost his temper and the account of what happened was accurate. He was given a suspension and ordered to write a letter of apology.

Was the paper wrong? Did it punish "speech?" Or did it reprimand an employee who represented the paper in way the paper deemed to be unacceptable?

Are our rights to free speech threatened because of what happened to this guy?

Nope...you're on company time, you act with decorum.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Your company owns your soul.
Get used to it, drones.

 

[93Devil]

Your company owns your soul.
Get used to it, drones.

Says the man or woman using a fake name on a message board. :)

 

[typewriterhill]

...this news should make Madden happy. According to a rumor that I've heard, long time Pittsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Bob Smizik is taking an early buyout/retirement effective today. There are more hits (early retirement deals) happening at the PG because of the poor revenues being posted locally and nationally in the newspaper business.

 

[markvid]

...this news should make Madden happy. According to a rumor that I've heard, long time Pittsburgh Post-Gazette columnist Bob Smizik is taking an early buyout/retirement effective today. There are more hits (early retirement deals) happening at the PG because of the poor revenues being posted locally and nationally in the newspaper business.

Please, Madden will wish he had a 30+ year career like Smizik.