Mark Cuban: your saviour?

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buckweaver said:
Cadet said:
Perhaps those ideas would work from an advertising perspective, but they don't address what (most of us on this site feel) is the core of the news business: unbiased, accurate, original reporting on topics of newsworthiness. I can get movies and songs and all that entertainment stuff elsewhere. But from whom and how am I going to learn about the day's events?

How can we ensure that credible news-gathering organizations remain a viable operation? I think the answer lies more in creating an educated, media literate public than in value-added packaging.

But that's how we can ensure it: by making the product financially viable again, so that papers can concentrate on the newsgathering. It's advertising that pays the bills. Newsgathering has never been the moneymaker, and probably never will be.

Ah ... I remember having that point driven home by the advertising staff. The year the creative side (reporters, ad design, production) certified under CEP Local 2000, several of our salesmen told me they didn't think I deserved to make any more money than I did (about $24K), because I wasn't physically bringing money into the building like they were.

They didn't understand the argument, either, that if it weren't for me and the other writers, they wouldn't have a product to sell.

And isn't that one of the key issues ... the divide between the business side and the creative?
 
Newsgathering has never been the moneymaker, and probably never will be.

No, but it should be the draw. I don't go to cnn.com for the Google ads.
 
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Ah ... I remember having that point driven home by the advertising staff. The year the creative side (reporters, ad design, production) certified under CEP Local 2000, several of our salesmen told me they didn't think I deserved to make any more money than I did (about $24K), because I wasn't physically bringing money into the building like they were.

They didn't understand the argument, either, that if it weren't for me and the other writers, they wouldn't have a product to sell.

And isn't that one of the key issues ... the divide between the business side and the creative?"

thats a leadership issue. Everyone needs toknow who contributes and how. No business lives without sales. No sales happen without a good product
 
Sorry, but there are likely very few newspapers who don't undervalue the work of their writers.
 
Bullwinkle said:

Love him or hate him, this guy is the best owner in sports.

By what possible standard?
Can his team win something first?
 
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Fenian_Bastard said:
Bullwinkle said:

Love him or hate him, this guy is the best owner in sports.

By what possible standard?
Can his team win something first?

What he's done for the league and for his own franchise is unbelievable. He'll win a title when he gets Kobe Bryant or Chris Paul. Until that happens, he's taking time out of his day to try to save newspapers.

You don't have to win a championship to be a good owner, just ask William Clay Ford. :)
 
Bullwinkle said:
Fenian_Bastard said:
Bullwinkle said:

Love him or hate him, this guy is the best owner in sports.

By what possible standard?
Can his team win something first?

What he's done for the league and for his own franchise is unbelievable. He'll win a title when he gets Kobe Bryant or Chris Paul. Until that happens, he's taking time out of his day to try to save newspapers.

You don't have to win a championship to be a good owner, just ask William Clay Ford. :)

What's he "done for the league" more than the owners of, say, the Heat or the Cavs? He's revived the Dallas franchise, for sure, but does that make him a better owner than, say, the Krafts in Foxboro, or the people who own the Rays?
 
Angola! said:
if it weren't for horrific refereeing he'd have a title.

what he said. And just for the record THREE of the officials who had fun with us in those finals have not only been removed from the finals, but they are no longer crew chiefs. Coincidence ? I think not ! Unfortunately, that and a quarter, wont even buy a newspaper these days :)
 
mcuban said:
Angola! said:
if it weren't for horrific refereeing he'd have a title.

what he said. And just for the record THREE of the officials who had fun with us in those finals have not only been removed from the finals, but they are no longer crew chiefs. Coincidence ? I think not ! Unfortunately, that and a quarter, wont even buy a newspaper these days :)

Well, that certainly settles it.
Unfortunately, I can't find the Fired Referee Do Over clause in the NBA by-laws. I think Miami gets to keep the trophy.
 
Fetch us a beer, newbie. A LOT of beer because you're rich and we're all poor.
 
mcuban said:
thats a leadership issue.

And THAT is a newspaper issue, one of the worst-managed industries I have ever worked in, studied or covered.

They recruit vast staffs (well, back in the day the staffs were vast) of questioning, skeptical people capable of bringing down corrupt politicians and exposing multi-national corporations, then require those same people to STFU within the paper's walls when it comes to decision-making.

They are ridiculously susceptible to promoting folks who a) brown-nose, or b) buddy up in Fredrick's notorious 10 a.m. meetings, because staffers' output is so damn subjective. They overvalue the opinions of people who are constantly in the office, and undervalue those of the staffers who are out on the front lines, working the streets or handling the incoming at night -- they certainly don't promote those people as often in the aforementioned decision-making jobs. They fall in love with the work of the people they put into position to do that premium work, and take for granted those who are doing nitty-gritty work that keeps the joint afloat (especially if they were hired by a predecessor).

They pick-and-choose the windmills they want to tilt at in their editorial agendas, giving passes to certain sacred cows. They talk about having big balls in pursuing tough stories, but go gelding when an advertiser shakes his wallet at them. A lot of them don't even have balls big enough to run a staff meeting with a free exchange of ideas out of which -- through that collaboration -- some better ideas might come, because they fear that, other than their title, they don't have much reason to be holding down their "positions of authority."

They puff up in making sure their reporters don't accept a free steak dinner from a source, but they are happy to plant their people in choice real estate at games, in seat locations that would normally cost thousands of dollars, or gladly accept the discount hotel rate by being on the team's rooming list. Ethical lapses apparently only matter if they benefit the staffers, not if they benefit the newspapers.

They behave like children in demanding more and more from staffers without any concessions in $ or time or duties dropped, unilaterally changing terms of employment, always for the worse. They fail badly at managing senior staffers, in both challenging them and in utilizing their expertise. There are very few industries that treat aging staffers quite like the navel lint that this one does.

They suck up, in salaries and bonuses, amounts four, five or 10 times what a typical reporter or copy editor makes, yet they couldn't write a 15-inch gamer in 45 minutes or put a proper headline on it at deadline if their Granny's eyeballs depended on it.

These are our leaders in the news industry. Many of them, anyway, morons who could get away with being lousy when times were flush and newspapers had virtual monopolies. Now they've been exposed, and the worst of them are trying to hide behind the overall poor economy for cover.
 
Joe Williams said:
mcuban said:
thats a leadership issue.

And THAT is a newspaper issue, one of the worst-managed industries I have ever worked in, studied or covered.

They recruit vast staffs (well, back in the day the staffs were vast) of questioning, skeptical people capable of bringing down corrupt politicians and exposing multi-national corporations, then require those same people to STFU within the paper's walls when it comes to decision-making.

They are ridiculously susceptible to promoting folks who a) brown-nose, or b) buddy up in Fredrick's notorious 10 a.m. meetings, because staffers' output is so damn subjective. They overvalue the opinions of people who are constantly in the office, and undervalue those of the staffers who are out on the front lines, working the streets -- they certainly don't promote those people as often in the aforementioned decision-making jobs. They fall in love with the work of the people they put into position to do that premium work, and take for granted those who are doing nitty-gritty work that keeps the joint afloat (especially if they were hired by a predecessor).

They pick-and-choose the windmills they want to tilt at in their editorial agendas, giving passes to certain sacred cows. They talk about having big balls in pursuing tough stories, but go gelding when an advertiser shakes his wallet at them. A lot of them don't even have balls big enough to run a staff meeting with a free exchange of ideas out of which -- through that collaboration -- some better ideas might come, because they fear that, other than their title, they don't have much reason to be holding down their "positions of authority."

They puff up in making sure their reporters don't accept a free steak dinner from a source, but they are happy to plant their people in choice real estate at games, in seat locations that would normally cost thousands of dollars, or gladly accept the discount hotel rate by being on the team's rooming list. Ethical lapses apparently only matter if they benefit the staffers, not if they benefit the newspapers.

They behave like children in demanding more and more from staffers without any concessions in $ or time or duties dropped, unilaterally changing terms of employment, always for the worse. They fail badly at managing senior staffers, in both challenging them and in utilizing their expertise. There are very few industries that treat aging staffers quite like the navel lint that this one does.

They suck up, in salaries and bonuses, amounts four, five or 10 times what a typical reporter or copy editor makes, yet they couldn't write a 15-inch gamer in 45 minutes or put a proper headline on it at deadline if their Granny's eyeballs depended on it.

These are our leaders in the news industry. Many of them, anyway, morons who could get away with being lousy when times were flush and newspapers had virtual monopolies. Now they've been exposed, and the worst of them are trying to hide behind the overall poor economy for cover.
My candidate for post of the year. Should be sent to every lazy passive-thinking editor and publisher in the country.
 
I'll respectfully pre-empt Shotglass and a few others here and acknowledge that I probably (?) have been less happy with my bosses through the years than some others of us have been. Some have actually been blessed with good bosses -- I've had some too, though probably countable on one hand through three decades.

I'm just saying that newspaper "leaders" should be the best of us, whereas many times it seems like they're not and that they're playing an entirely different game. We're pawns, while they're worrying about getting "kinged" in their careers.

And again, I agree to the use of "some" and "many" rather than indicting all. Them that have the good ones, hang onto 'em ... until they lay you off too. ;)
 
Joe Williams said:
mcuban said:
thats a leadership issue.

And THAT is a newspaper issue, one of the worst-managed industries I have ever worked in, studied or covered.

They recruit vast staffs (well, back in the day the staffs were vast) of questioning, skeptical people capable of bringing down corrupt politicians and exposing multi-national corporations, then require those same people to STFU within the paper's walls when it comes to decision-making.

They are ridiculously susceptible to promoting folks who a) brown-nose, or b) buddy up in Fredrick's notorious 10 a.m. meetings, because staffers' output is so damn subjective. They overvalue the opinions of people who are constantly in the office, and undervalue those of the staffers who are out on the front lines, working the streets -- they certainly don't promote those people as often in the aforementioned decision-making jobs. They fall in love with the work of the people they put into position to do that premium work, and take for granted those who are doing nitty-gritty work that keeps the joint afloat (especially if they were hired by a predecessor).

They pick-and-choose the windmills they want to tilt at in their editorial agendas, giving passes to certain sacred cows. They talk about having big balls in pursuing tough stories, but go gelding when an advertiser shakes his wallet at them. A lot of them don't even have balls big enough to run a staff meeting with a free exchange of ideas out of which -- through that collaboration -- some better ideas might come, because they fear that, other than their title, they don't have much reason to be holding down their "positions of authority."

They puff up in making sure their reporters don't accept a free steak dinner from a source, but they are happy to plant their people in choice real estate at games, in seat locations that would normally cost thousands of dollars, or gladly accept the discount hotel rate by being on the team's rooming list. Ethical lapses apparently only matter if they benefit the staffers, not if they benefit the newspapers.

They behave like children in demanding more and more from staffers without any concessions in $ or time or duties dropped, unilaterally changing terms of employment, always for the worse. They fail badly at managing senior staffers, in both challenging them and in utilizing their expertise. There are very few industries that treat aging staffers quite like the navel lint that this one does.

They suck up, in salaries and bonuses, amounts four, five or 10 times what a typical reporter or copy editor makes, yet they couldn't write a 15-inch gamer in 45 minutes or put a proper headline on it at deadline if their Granny's eyeballs depended on it.

These are our leaders in the news industry. Many of them, anyway, morons who could get away with being lousy when times were flush and newspapers had virtual monopolies. Now they've been exposed, and the worst of them are trying to hide behind the overall poor economy for cover.

Here you are, sir. You deserve this.

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Joe Williams said:
I'll respectfully pre-empt Shotglass and a few others here and acknowledge that I probably (?) have been less happy with my bosses through the years than some others of us have been. Some have actually been blessed with good bosses -- I've had some too, though probably countable on one hand through three decades.

I'm just saying that newspaper "leaders" should be the best of us, whereas many times it seems like they're not and that they're playing an entirely different game. We're pawns, while they're worrying about getting "kinged" in their careers.

And again, I agree to the use of "some" and "many" rather than indicting all. Them that have the good ones, hang onto 'em ... until they lay you off too. ;)

You know, you don't even have to pre-empt me there.

That post above? One helluva post. You made great points.
 
One beer?
For that post?
You're a cheapskate, 2much.

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thats a leadership issue.

And THAT is a newspaper issue, one of the worst-managed industries I have ever worked in, studied or covered.

They recruit vast staffs (well, back in the day the staffs were vast) of questioning, skeptical people capable of bringing down corrupt politicians and exposing multi-national corporations, then require those same people to STFU within the paper's walls when it comes to decision-making.

They are ridiculously susceptible to promoting folks who a) brown-nose, or b) buddy up in Fredrick's notorious 10 a.m. meetings, because staffers' output is so damn subjective. They overvalue the opinions of people who are constantly in the office, and undervalue those of the staffers who are out on the front lines, working the streets -- they certainly don't promote those people as often in the aforementioned decision-making jobs. They fall in love with the work of the people they put into position to do that premium work, and take for granted those who are doing nitty-gritty work that keeps the joint afloat (especially if they were hired by a predecessor).

They pick-and-choose the windmills they want to tilt at in their editorial agendas, giving passes to certain sacred cows. They talk about having big balls in pursuing tough stories, but go gelding when an advertiser shakes his wallet at them. A lot of them don't even have balls big enough to run a staff meeting with a free exchange of ideas out of which -- through that collaboration -- some better ideas might come, because they fear that, other than their title, they don't have much reason to be holding down their "positions of authority."

They puff up in making sure their reporters don't accept a free steak dinner from a source, but they are happy to plant their people in choice real estate at games, in seat locations that would normally cost thousands of dollars, or gladly accept the discount hotel rate by being on the team's rooming list. Ethical lapses apparently only matter if they benefit the staffers, not if they benefit the newspapers.

They behave like children in demanding more and more from staffers without any concessions in $ or time or duties dropped, unilaterally changing terms of employment, always for the worse. They fail badly at managing senior staffers, in both challenging them and in utilizing their expertise. There are very few industries that treat aging staffers quite like the navel lint that this one does.

They suck up, in salaries and bonuses, amounts four, five or 10 times what a typical reporter or copy editor makes, yet they couldn't write a 15-inch gamer in 45 minutes or put a proper headline on it at deadline if their Granny's eyeballs depended on it.

These are our leaders in the news industry. Many of them, anyway, morons who could get away with being lousy when times were flush and newspapers had virtual monopolies. Now they've been exposed, and the worst of them are trying to hide behind the overall poor economy for cover.

EXCELLENT JOE.
This post says it all. It's true. It is true. All of it. Worded beautifully.
I love the ending. Yes the newsroom leaders have been exposed. And they are hiding for cover behind the economy. I hope your post never gets lost in this thread on Cuban.
YOU SAID IT ALL. Only people who would disagree are the 10 a.m.ers themselves.
 

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