Jack and Hill

[buckweaver]

"There's nothing on this earth sexier than a woman who you have to salute in the morning."



Jack Nicholson and Rob Reiner uploaded a video on YouTube this morning, with a collage of Nicholson's movie characters endorsing Hillary Clinton for president.

AP story about it here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080302/ap_on_el_pr/jack_s_vote_5

 

[Ben_Hecht]

I'm a fan of Jack's, on-screen, but must note he's long been a Fidel aficionado, as well.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Gee, not content to mingle with the Arkansas Project, the anti-HRC folks now move along to red-baiting her supportters.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Gee, not content to mingle with the Arkansas Project, the anti-HRC folks now move along to red-baiting her supportters.

That's not red-baiting, although it almost shifted the focus away from Ben's point... He was calling the guy out for making nice to a dictator who kept his people subjugated. Nicholson flew there, met with Castro, met with leaders of the Cuban film industry and then had a grand old time... local restaurants, jazz clubs, visits to cigar factories. He said he was greatly impressed with the country and with Castro, who he described as "a genius." No mention of the fact that the luxuries Nicholson was treated to during his visit are off-limits to 98 percent of Cuban citizens. Nicholson should be ashamed of himself for making like the ugly American and then allowing himself to be a PR tool, when millions of the Cuban people stuck living there without the royal treatment Nicholson gets when he jets in, sleep outside when it it is too hot because they have no electricity to power fans.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

Gee, unusual circumstances for the Third World. I'll remember this the next time a guy with any real power holds hands with, say, a Saudi prince.
And with this, my part of this the threadjack ends.
Video's cool.

 

[Stoney]

Out of curiosity, Ragu, do you think there might be a few less Cubans sleeping outside today if the central focus of our Cuba policy over the last 50 years had not been trying to destroy their economy by embargo and other means?

 

[Guy_Incognito]

I haven't seen him in a while - man did he get old.

 

[Ben_Hecht]

Gee, not content to mingle with the Arkansas Project, the anti-HRC folks now move along to red-baiting her supportters.

Please . . . pro-Obama, and wish HRC a long, happy career in the Senate.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I haven't seen him in a while - man did he get old.

Noticed that at the Oscars.
It's finally catching up with him.
I was hoping he'd be immune.

 

[The Big Ragu]

Out of curiosity, Ragu, do you think there might be a few less Cubans sleeping outside today if the central focus of our Cuba policy over the last 50 years had not been trying to destroy their economy by embargo and other means?

Nope. I don't. You make it sounds like Cuba is the 51st U.S. state, and we owe it to the country to provide a level of welfare to help make up for a dictator that has plundered what resources they had and kept the population living in greater poverty than necessary. Castro has been the country's problem. Not the U.S. Whatever effect the U.S. embargo has had has been offset by other countries that trade with Cuba on favorable terms that no one else enjoys. Russia subsidized Castro for years. Do you take that into account? And now other countries, such as Venezuela do. Do you take that into account?

Out of curiosity, do you think there should be a few less Cubans sleeping outside today, when the cost of energy, which is what most hammers economies, including ours, is being subsidized to ridiculous levels by a country that has a ton of oil and is giving Cuba favorable, below-market terms, in order to try to boost their economy?

One reason Castro always gave for the electricity problems was that oil was so expensive... Yet, Hugo Chavez has virtually been giving Venezuelan oil to Cuba... I don't know the exact prices, but the price of a barrel in Cuba is less than half of what it is the U.S. thanks to Chavez subsidizing the Cuban economy out of his pocket. Yet even with that advantage that no one else enjoys, millions of Cubans still live without electricity.

Could it possibly just be that Castro has not done right by his people?

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I decline to speak for the Cuban people. Americans have been doing that, to their great detriment, for over 100 years and it's been a prime reason why there hasn't been a popular rising against Castro.
Other people would profit from this sort of discretion.
And, Randian morning affirmations aside, it isn't what this thread is about.

 

[Boom_70]

Gee, not content to mingle with the Arkansas Project, the anti-HRC folks now move along to red-baiting her supportters.

That's not red-baiting, although it almost shifted the focus away from Ben's point... He was calling the guy out for making nice to a dictator who kept his people subjugated. Nicholson flew there, met with Castro, met with leaders of the Cuban film industry and then had a grand old time... local restaurants, jazz clubs, visits to cigar factories. He said he was greatly impressed with the country and with Castro, who he described as "a genius." No mention of the fact that the luxuries Nicholson was treated to during his visit are off-limits to 98 percent of Cuban citizens. Nicholson should be ashamed of himself for making like the ugly American and then allowing himself to be a PR tool, when millions of the Cuban people stuck living there without the royal treatment Nicholson gets when he jets in, sleep outside when it it is too hot because they have no electricity to power fans.

Since Hillary is so concerned with human rights maybe she will not accept Jack's endorsement -- given his close association with Castro.

 

[The Big Ragu]

I decline to speak for the Cuban people. Americans have been doing that, to their great detriment, for over 100 years and it's been a prime reason why there hasn't been a popular rising against Castro.
Other people would profit from this sort of discretion.
And, Randian morning affirmations aside, it isn't what this thread is about.

I think I get it. Randian is the word you throw in--like red-baiting--when you want to be dismissive without reason. I like it. It's very effective!

EDIT: Also, is it your position that everyone living under tyranny for a long time is happy because they haven't been able to muster a coup? That must be your Randian morning affirmation: Those who don't help themselves... The Fenian credo.

 

[Write-brained]

I'd sure want Col. Jessup endorsing me ...

What, wasn't the psycho character from The Shining available: "Here's Hilary!"

 

[EStreetJoe]

I'd sure want Col. Jessup endorsing me ...

What, wasn't the psycho character from The Shining available: "Here's Hilary!"

The psycho character from the Shining was available -- talking to a bartender in the second clip in the spot.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Buck, you're late.

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/53590/

Simon beat you by 5 hours or so.

 

[Fenian_Bastard]

I decline to speak for the Cuban people. Americans have been doing that, to their great detriment, for over 100 years and it's been a prime reason why there hasn't been a popular rising against Castro.
Other people would profit from this sort of discretion.
And, Randian morning affirmations aside, it isn't what this thread is about.

I think I get it. Randian is the word you throw in--like red-baiting--when you want to be dismissive without reason. I like it. It's very effective!

EDIT: Also, is it your position that everyone living under tyranny for a long time is happy because they haven't been able to muster a coup? That must be your Randian morning affirmation: Those who don't help themselves... The Fenian credo.

You really don't know how to read. You had two tries at it and you got it wrong both times. I said nothing as categorical as your characteristically pathetic paraphrase. Ididn't say happy, but if you don't think that American meddling -- from Operation Mongoose to the Bay Of Pigs, to the idiotic boycott, to the triumphalist parades in Miami, to the Elian Gonzalez fiasco, to the pardoning of the terrorist who blew up the Cubana airliner by Daddy Bush and on and on -- hasn't worked to Castro's political advantage at home, you're sadly ignorant of the way the world works. Again.

 

[The Big Ragu]

You made the point that there hasn't been a popular uprising against Castro as proof of, um, what?

That America is responsible! If I knew how to read, I suppose that would be self-evident without you saying it.

He's a military-backed dictator who has maintained power for a long time, and he has guns pointed at his own people.

America should be ashamed of itself!

Even if what you just posted was provable--and it is not, even under the most strained arguments--it misses the point that Castro is the military-backed dictator, and um, he is not American, was not put in power by America and has not mistreated his people at the behest of America.

 

[2muchcoffeeman]

Buck, you're late.

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/53590/

Simon beat you by 5 hours or so.

Yeah, that thread title is a dead giveaway, huh?

He takes lessons from Fenian, evidently.

 

[Simon_Cowbell]

Buck, you're late.

http://www.sportsjournalists.com/forum/threads/53590/

Simon beat you by 5 hours or so.

Yeah, that thread title is a dead giveaway, huh?

Yeah.... this one was SOOO ****ing obvious.